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	<title>Comments on: 56 Per Cent of You Are STUPID (Or is it Just Ipsos MORI?)</title>
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		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2007/07/56-per-cent-of-you-are-stupid-or-is-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Editors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew complains that we have misrepresented Trenberth. But Trenberth&#039;s comments are incompatible with Downing&#039;s.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Downing says &#039;we see this filtering through to the number who say that they&#039;re not convinced that scientists can successfully model the climate.`&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We then point out that it is not just sceptics who are &#039;[un]convinced that scientists can successfully model the climate&#039;. Trenberth says, &#039;There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess...&#039;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Andrew then tells us that &#039;but almost all climate scientists agree that it is a crisis&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Whatever the truth of that, it does nothing to justify Downing&#039;s remarks. A crisis doesn&#039;t let anybody say what they want about climate science. As Andrew says &#039;To imply otherwise is misleading at best&#039;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Andrew mentions &#039;basic tenets of climate change&#039;. Like Downing, he seems to confuse the tenets with the science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew complains that we have misrepresented Trenberth. But Trenberth&#8217;s comments are incompatible with Downing&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Downing says &#8216;we see this filtering through to the number who say that they&#8217;re not convinced that scientists can successfully model the climate.`</p>
<p>We then point out that it is not just sceptics who are &#8216;[un]convinced that scientists can successfully model the climate&#8217;. Trenberth says, &#8216;There is no estimate, even probabilistically, as to the likelihood of any emissions scenario and no best guess&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>Andrew then tells us that &#8216;but almost all climate scientists agree that it is a crisis&#8217;.</p>
<p>Whatever the truth of that, it does nothing to justify Downing&#8217;s remarks. A crisis doesn&#8217;t let anybody say what they want about climate science. As Andrew says &#8216;To imply otherwise is misleading at best&#8217;.</p>
<p>Andrew mentions &#8216;basic tenets of climate change&#8217;. Like Downing, he seems to confuse the tenets with the science.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2007/07/56-per-cent-of-you-are-stupid-or-is-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that you completely misrepresent Trenberth&#039;s opinions in your article.  He states unequivically:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;So if the science is settled, then what are we planning for and adapting to? A consensus has emerged that “warming of the climate system is unequivocal” to quote the 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Working Group I Summary for Policy Makers (pdf) and the science is convincing that humans are the cause. Hence mitigation of the problem: stopping or slowing greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere is essential. The science is clear in this respect.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In other words, he agrees with the basic tenets of climate change and that we must do something about it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where he doesn&#039;t think there is agreement is in the details, as he says in the next paragraph:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;However, the science is not done because we do not have reliable or regional predictions of climate.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Note that he isn&#039;t saying that we&#039;re on the wrong path, or that there&#039;s anything wrong with the (mostly) consensus view, but simply that there&#039;s a lot more work to do.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, don&#039;t go implying that there&#039;s some trouble brewing in science-land.  Of course, there&#039;s talk and there&#039;s disagreement and infighting, but almost all climate scientists agree that it is a crisis.  To imply otherwise is misleading at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that you completely misrepresent Trenberth&#8217;s opinions in your article.  He states unequivically:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;So if the science is settled, then what are we planning for and adapting to? A consensus has emerged that “warming of the climate system is unequivocal” to quote the 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment Working Group I Summary for Policy Makers (pdf) and the science is convincing that humans are the cause. Hence mitigation of the problem: stopping or slowing greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere is essential. The science is clear in this respect.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>In other words, he agrees with the basic tenets of climate change and that we must do something about it.</p>
<p>Where he doesn&#8217;t think there is agreement is in the details, as he says in the next paragraph:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;However, the science is not done because we do not have reliable or regional predictions of climate.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Note that he isn&#8217;t saying that we&#8217;re on the wrong path, or that there&#8217;s anything wrong with the (mostly) consensus view, but simply that there&#8217;s a lot more work to do.</p>
<p>So, don&#8217;t go implying that there&#8217;s some trouble brewing in science-land.  Of course, there&#8217;s talk and there&#8217;s disagreement and infighting, but almost all climate scientists agree that it is a crisis.  To imply otherwise is misleading at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2007/07/56-per-cent-of-you-are-stupid-or-is-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Downing what a truly fatuous and dishonest contribution!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Rupert Wyndham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Downing what a truly fatuous and dishonest contribution!</p>
<p>Rupert Wyndham</p>
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