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	<title>Comments on: For Those Watching in Black and White</title>
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		<title>By: deadwood</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/01/climate-change-in-black-and-white.html/comment-page-1#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>deadwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John has a good point about the benefits of naturogenic climate change.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One thing I would like to see more of, say beyond the benefits of raising cattle in Greenland circa 900 AD, is a study of how humans have historically fared in warm and cold climates throughout our recorded history.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A first order comparison of the Minoan, Roman and Medieval Warm periods for instance shows that during all three of these climatic optima human civilization has flourished.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Conversely, the cold periods following each of these optima coincide with periods of mass migration, starvation, chaos, and plague.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then again, I suppose its far smarter for historians to keep quite. What with gorehounds on every campus maintaining the &quot;consensus&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John has a good point about the benefits of naturogenic climate change.</p>
<p>One thing I would like to see more of, say beyond the benefits of raising cattle in Greenland circa 900 AD, is a study of how humans have historically fared in warm and cold climates throughout our recorded history.</p>
<p>A first order comparison of the Minoan, Roman and Medieval Warm periods for instance shows that during all three of these climatic optima human civilization has flourished.  </p>
<p>Conversely, the cold periods following each of these optima coincide with periods of mass migration, starvation, chaos, and plague.</p>
<p>Then again, I suppose its far smarter for historians to keep quite. What with gorehounds on every campus maintaining the &#8220;consensus&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: john a. bailo</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/01/climate-change-in-black-and-white.html/comment-page-1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>john a. bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it leaves one very prominent position out of the debate entirely.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That position would be Optimistic Climate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For myself, I believe that increased temperature and CO2 rises are entirely naturogenic.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Furthermore, I believe that that temperature rise and other associated (but not necessarily correlated) changes are beneficial to mankind.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And finally, I have put out predictions resulting from increased temperature that I believe to be more accurate than those of the IPCC, including:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1) Increased arable land due to warming.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2) Increased rainfail in desert areas such as the Southwest, Gobi and Sahara deserts (I am already monitoring some data on the southwest -- NOAA -- where certain daily percentages of rainfall are 300% to 500% above normal!).  I see a great lowering of the seas -- not a flood.   I have been monitoring some tide data where it appears for the last few years there are more low tide anomalies than high tide anomolies.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This leads us to the idea of &quot;What to do&quot; about it.   Far from building climate shelters on moutains, we need to be standing around with baskets to scoop up all the manna that&#039;s starting to rain on us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it leaves one very prominent position out of the debate entirely.</p>
<p>That position would be Optimistic Climate.</p>
<p>For myself, I believe that increased temperature and CO2 rises are entirely naturogenic.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I believe that that temperature rise and other associated (but not necessarily correlated) changes are beneficial to mankind.</p>
<p>And finally, I have put out predictions resulting from increased temperature that I believe to be more accurate than those of the IPCC, including:</p>
<p>1) Increased arable land due to warming.</p>
<p>2) Increased rainfail in desert areas such as the Southwest, Gobi and Sahara deserts (I am already monitoring some data on the southwest &#8212; NOAA &#8212; where certain daily percentages of rainfall are 300% to 500% above normal!).  I see a great lowering of the seas &#8212; not a flood.   I have been monitoring some tide data where it appears for the last few years there are more low tide anomalies than high tide anomolies.</p>
<p>This leads us to the idea of &#8220;What to do&#8221; about it.   Far from building climate shelters on moutains, we need to be standing around with baskets to scoop up all the manna that&#8217;s starting to rain on us!</p>
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		<title>By: John A</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/01/climate-change-in-black-and-white.html/comment-page-1#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>John A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly in Stephen Schneider&#039;s global cooling schlockfest &quot;The Genesis Strategy&quot; published in 1976, Schneider proposes dumping soot on the Arctic pack ice (which was then expanding) in order to get it to melt faster.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Plus ca change...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly in Stephen Schneider&#8217;s global cooling schlockfest &#8220;The Genesis Strategy&#8221; published in 1976, Schneider proposes dumping soot on the Arctic pack ice (which was then expanding) in order to get it to melt faster.</p>
<p>Plus ca change&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: T. Greer</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit of follow up- You are absolutely right. Already the two tiered system has messed a few things up. Take for example, their classification of the article &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.ocregister.com/science-technology/soot-arctic-climate-1960383-warming-snow&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &quot;Research tracks arctic warming&#039;s correlation to &#039;dirty snow.&#039;&quot;&lt;/a&gt;  All the article says that if we cut down on soot emissions, we would slow down warming in the Arctic considerably. While this is an interesting proposition in itself, it is not a &quot;dissenting voice.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Or consider their classification of Roger Pielke Sr. He is put solidly into the &quot;skeptic&quot; crowd- even though he believes in anthropogenic global warming. (He take the view that the IPCC exaggerates everything. But then again, he does not think that they are actually wrong about the science.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit of follow up- You are absolutely right. Already the two tiered system has messed a few things up. Take for example, their classification of the article <a HREF="http://www.ocregister.com/science-technology/soot-arctic-climate-1960383-warming-snow" REL="nofollow"> &#8220;Research tracks arctic warming&#8217;s correlation to &#8216;dirty snow.&#8217;&#8221;</a>  All the article says that if we cut down on soot emissions, we would slow down warming in the Arctic considerably. While this is an interesting proposition in itself, it is not a &#8220;dissenting voice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or consider their classification of Roger Pielke Sr. He is put solidly into the &#8220;skeptic&#8221; crowd- even though he believes in anthropogenic global warming. (He take the view that the IPCC exaggerates everything. But then again, he does not think that they are actually wrong about the science.)</p>
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		<title>By: T. Greer</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You bring up a good point. I have always considered the third way you mention, that of Adaptation, the best option of the three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up a good point. I have always considered the third way you mention, that of Adaptation, the best option of the three.</p>
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