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	<title>Comments on: Vote For Me &#8211; Or Get Cancer</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/02/vote-for-me-or-get-cancer.html#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to thank you guys for the fantastic job you&#039;re doing here.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would also like to second the anon. comment above ... We should also consider the case of poor Ronald Fisher, one of the few scientists brave enough to stand up to the tobacco hysterics.  His common-sense theory that it was &lt;em&gt;cancer that causes smoking&lt;/em&gt; was roundly denigrated by the smoking alarmists ... even today his opposition to the alarmists still brings discredit to his name.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I agree that the persecution of these brave pro-tobacco scientists is so similar to the unfair persecution of the climate change realists that the comparison simply cannot be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to thank you guys for the fantastic job you&#8217;re doing here.  </p>
<p>I would also like to second the anon. comment above &#8230; We should also consider the case of poor Ronald Fisher, one of the few scientists brave enough to stand up to the tobacco hysterics.  His common-sense theory that it was <em>cancer that causes smoking</em> was roundly denigrated by the smoking alarmists &#8230; even today his opposition to the alarmists still brings discredit to his name.</p>
<p>I agree that the persecution of these brave pro-tobacco scientists is so similar to the unfair persecution of the climate change realists that the comparison simply cannot be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All power to your elbows in dealing with tiresome whingers like Dr Lucas. If she&#039;s so bothered about our furry friends, perhaps she should volunteer for experiments with potential carcinogens herself!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Without wanting to drag you into the smoking debate, it&#039;s worth remebering that there were plenty of dissenting voices in the 1970s and 80s pointing out that the case against tobacco was far from watertight, and that an apparent association between smoking and cancer is not at all the same thing as a cause. The eminent psychologist and statistician Professor Hans Eysenck was one such, and found to his cost the penalties for questioning a scientific &#039;consensus&#039;. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then there was Dr William Whitby, author of &#039;The Smoking Scare De-bunked&#039;. Dr Whitby even uncovered evidence that smoking may actually be beneficial (brought together in his book &#039;Smoking is Good for You&#039;). Unfortunately, he was vilified on the grounds that he had receved financial support from Philip Morris - just as scientists who question the global warming scare are vilified if they have received much-needed funding from the fossil fuel industry - as you have described so eloquently elsewhere on your blog. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The parallels between these two episodes of hysteria based on bogus and politically motivated scientific &#039;consensus&#039; are simply too strong to be ignored - but this time round the stakes are of course much higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All power to your elbows in dealing with tiresome whingers like Dr Lucas. If she&#8217;s so bothered about our furry friends, perhaps she should volunteer for experiments with potential carcinogens herself!</p>
<p>Without wanting to drag you into the smoking debate, it&#8217;s worth remebering that there were plenty of dissenting voices in the 1970s and 80s pointing out that the case against tobacco was far from watertight, and that an apparent association between smoking and cancer is not at all the same thing as a cause. The eminent psychologist and statistician Professor Hans Eysenck was one such, and found to his cost the penalties for questioning a scientific &#8216;consensus&#8217;. </p>
<p>Then there was Dr William Whitby, author of &#8216;The Smoking Scare De-bunked&#8217;. Dr Whitby even uncovered evidence that smoking may actually be beneficial (brought together in his book &#8216;Smoking is Good for You&#8217;). Unfortunately, he was vilified on the grounds that he had receved financial support from Philip Morris &#8211; just as scientists who question the global warming scare are vilified if they have received much-needed funding from the fossil fuel industry &#8211; as you have described so eloquently elsewhere on your blog. </p>
<p>The parallels between these two episodes of hysteria based on bogus and politically motivated scientific &#8216;consensus&#8217; are simply too strong to be ignored &#8211; but this time round the stakes are of course much higher.</p>
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		<title>By: Editors</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/02/vote-for-me-or-get-cancer.html#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Editors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be a layer of irony which prevents us from understanding the point Anonymous was making. We can&#039;t tell. Ironic or not, Anon goes on to ask what this has to do with climate. Lucas demonstrates how political environmentalism uses superficially plausible scientific arguments to create fear and political legitimacy. We are interested in the political phenomenon of environmentalism. That means we occasionally take a broader look at the politics involved in areas other than climate change. The &#039;modus operandi&#039; of environmentalists with respect to industrial chemicals is the same as it is for climate change. As we say in the post, Lucas epitomises the politics of fear, and it is interesting to see how fear is generated within the context of the wider political debate, not just on the climate issue. Lucas&#039;s views on animals in medical research (the kind which continues to save millions of people&#039;s lives, yet which Lucas wants to ban because she believes it to be &#039;scientifically unsound&#039;) are interesting for much the same reasons.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The parallel Anon has drawn with the tobacco lobby is an interesting one. The links between smoking and cancer are, of course, well established. Lucas appears to be claiming that the links between industrial chemicals and cancer are equally established. Yet when we asked her press office (twice) for the supporting data, they have been unable to furnish us with it. That is because if it exists - and we doubt it very much - it is not what Lucas says it is. So who is doing the &#039;tobacco-science&#039; here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There may be a layer of irony which prevents us from understanding the point Anonymous was making. We can&#8217;t tell. Ironic or not, Anon goes on to ask what this has to do with climate. Lucas demonstrates how political environmentalism uses superficially plausible scientific arguments to create fear and political legitimacy. We are interested in the political phenomenon of environmentalism. That means we occasionally take a broader look at the politics involved in areas other than climate change. The &#8216;modus operandi&#8217; of environmentalists with respect to industrial chemicals is the same as it is for climate change. As we say in the post, Lucas epitomises the politics of fear, and it is interesting to see how fear is generated within the context of the wider political debate, not just on the climate issue. Lucas&#8217;s views on animals in medical research (the kind which continues to save millions of people&#8217;s lives, yet which Lucas wants to ban because she believes it to be &#8216;scientifically unsound&#8217;) are interesting for much the same reasons.</p>
<p>The parallel Anon has drawn with the tobacco lobby is an interesting one. The links between smoking and cancer are, of course, well established. Lucas appears to be claiming that the links between industrial chemicals and cancer are equally established. Yet when we asked her press office (twice) for the supporting data, they have been unable to furnish us with it. That is because if it exists &#8211; and we doubt it very much &#8211; it is not what Lucas says it is. So who is doing the &#8216;tobacco-science&#8217; here?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cancers take years to develop, and their causes are too many to attribute to one category of risk.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;Well said sir! If only the tobacco industry had been able to rely on such able debunkers of namby-pamby scaremongering nonsense as yourselves, then we might not have to put up with swingeing taxes on cigarettes and nanny-state prohibitions on where we can enjoy a harmless smoke.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I do wonder what this has to do with climate, though? I worry that your eagerness to have a go at Dr Lucas and her ilk you may become distracted from the more urgent task of exposing the so-called &#039;global warming&#039; conspiracy. That&#039;s where the real danger to freedom and economic growth lies - so carry on hitting those &#039;peer reviewed&#039; scientists where it hurts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cancers take years to develop, and their causes are too many to attribute to one category of risk.&#8221;<br />Well said sir! If only the tobacco industry had been able to rely on such able debunkers of namby-pamby scaremongering nonsense as yourselves, then we might not have to put up with swingeing taxes on cigarettes and nanny-state prohibitions on where we can enjoy a harmless smoke.</p>
<p>I do wonder what this has to do with climate, though? I worry that your eagerness to have a go at Dr Lucas and her ilk you may become distracted from the more urgent task of exposing the so-called &#8216;global warming&#8217; conspiracy. That&#8217;s where the real danger to freedom and economic growth lies &#8211; so carry on hitting those &#8216;peer reviewed&#8217; scientists where it hurts!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean that 75% of green politicans are neurotic self serving apocolypse mongerers and the other 25% and currently sick with vegan induced cancer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that 75% of green politicans are neurotic self serving apocolypse mongerers and the other 25% and currently sick with vegan induced cancer?</p>
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