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	<title>Comments on: Environmentalism: &quot;frustrated, angry and confused&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: john a. bailo</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/05/environmentalism-frustrated-angry-and.html#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>john a. bailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason that it&#039;s hard to fight the AGWers is that they put the &quot;Denier&quot; in the state of the defender.   My own preference is the inaction of the status quo...but that&#039;s a hard sell for most people.  Almost anyone can get up on stage with a megaphone, shout &quot;the end is near&quot; and make people shell out money.   Even the most skeptical person buys insurance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Therefore, I wish that whatever it is that we -- who are not AGWers -- believe in, turn it into an equivalent &quot;movement&quot; -- one that is not in opposition to the Greens, but which is a complete ideology of its own.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The best strategy is to come up with something that ignores them completely but at the same time prevents them from picking our pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason that it&#8217;s hard to fight the AGWers is that they put the &#8220;Denier&#8221; in the state of the defender.   My own preference is the inaction of the status quo&#8230;but that&#8217;s a hard sell for most people.  Almost anyone can get up on stage with a megaphone, shout &#8220;the end is near&#8221; and make people shell out money.   Even the most skeptical person buys insurance.</p>
<p>Therefore, I wish that whatever it is that we &#8212; who are not AGWers &#8212; believe in, turn it into an equivalent &#8220;movement&#8221; &#8212; one that is not in opposition to the Greens, but which is a complete ideology of its own.</p>
<p>The best strategy is to come up with something that ignores them completely but at the same time prevents them from picking our pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben and Stuart&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The quality of your writing - both thought and prose - is brilliant and humbling.  I wish I could achieve what you do.</description>
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<p>The quality of your writing &#8211; both thought and prose &#8211; is brilliant and humbling.  I wish I could achieve what you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny is like all warmers and most enviroes.  They suffer from a deep self loathing.  &lt;br/&gt;they attribute everyone else’s motivations to what motivates them.  They therefore see in everyone else (those who disagree with them) the same faults that they possess.  They don’t want so much to save the world as to destroy mankind.  To them Man is the evil destroyer of nature and anything he does is evil.  Nothing will change their minds.  Sound like a religion to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny is like all warmers and most enviroes.  They suffer from a deep self loathing.  <br />they attribute everyone else’s motivations to what motivates them.  They therefore see in everyone else (those who disagree with them) the same faults that they possess.  They don’t want so much to save the world as to destroy mankind.  To them Man is the evil destroyer of nature and anything he does is evil.  Nothing will change their minds.  Sound like a religion to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert of Ottawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert of Ottawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that Johnny is describing his own condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that Johnny is describing his own condition.</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post but one quibble. You say, &quot;Yet conservatism, as the name suggests, seeks to use the state to preserve social orders, traditions and cultures,...&quot; I disagree. Conservatives would simply prefer the state desist from actively modifying or destroying existing &quot;social orders, traditions, and cultures&quot;. This has certainly been true of English conservatives from Burke to Oakeshott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post but one quibble. You say, &#8220;Yet conservatism, as the name suggests, seeks to use the state to preserve social orders, traditions and cultures,&#8230;&#8221; I disagree. Conservatives would simply prefer the state desist from actively modifying or destroying existing &#8220;social orders, traditions, and cultures&#8221;. This has certainly been true of English conservatives from Burke to Oakeshott.</p>
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