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	<title>Comments on: Under the Moon: Gore&#039;s Giant Limp for Mankind</title>
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		<title>By: jnicklin</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/07/under-the-moon-gores-giant-limp-for-mankind.html#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>jnicklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100 days to save the planet. What does Gore envision that is going to destroy the planet. Short of the moon somehos plumetting to earth creating a new asteroid belt in the process, what can we do to actually destroy the planet? Even if we were successful in killing ourselves off and taking most of the other species with us, the planet will still orbit the sun. He really needs to get a rip on reality.

His new plan to get the USA onto a totally &quot;green&quot; power regime would cost trillions of dollars and the resulting power would be intermittant at best since the wind doesn&#039;t always blow and the sun actually sets on the entire country for at least part of the day.

Just moving all vehicles to green electric would cost on the order of 3.5 trillion US dollars worth of wind turbines and batteries. And that doesn&#039;t count in the cost of replacing all other forms of electrical generation, about 760 gigawatts worth. A quick calculation on a table napkin would bring the total to somewhere on the order of 10 trillion US dollars. The Apollo program cost a few orders of magnitude less than that. Plus the whole country would have to be covered with wind turbines, since most of the turbines put out a paltry 1.5 megawatts of power. Thats over 50,000 turbines. The environmental consequences could be staggering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100 days to save the planet. What does Gore envision that is going to destroy the planet. Short of the moon somehos plumetting to earth creating a new asteroid belt in the process, what can we do to actually destroy the planet? Even if we were successful in killing ourselves off and taking most of the other species with us, the planet will still orbit the sun. He really needs to get a rip on reality.</p>
<p>His new plan to get the USA onto a totally &#8220;green&#8221; power regime would cost trillions of dollars and the resulting power would be intermittant at best since the wind doesn&#8217;t always blow and the sun actually sets on the entire country for at least part of the day.</p>
<p>Just moving all vehicles to green electric would cost on the order of 3.5 trillion US dollars worth of wind turbines and batteries. And that doesn&#8217;t count in the cost of replacing all other forms of electrical generation, about 760 gigawatts worth. A quick calculation on a table napkin would bring the total to somewhere on the order of 10 trillion US dollars. The Apollo program cost a few orders of magnitude less than that. Plus the whole country would have to be covered with wind turbines, since most of the turbines put out a paltry 1.5 megawatts of power. Thats over 50,000 turbines. The environmental consequences could be staggering.</p>
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		<title>By: JMW</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/07/under-the-moon-gores-giant-limp-for-mankind.html#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>JMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the New Age whackos are telling us the world ends in 2012.

Doom-mongers: Trying to out-do each other the way politicians try to out-do each other at emissions-curtailing [&quot;No, the world ends sooner than that!&quot;].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the New Age whackos are telling us the world ends in 2012.</p>
<p>Doom-mongers: Trying to out-do each other the way politicians try to out-do each other at emissions-curtailing ["No, the world ends sooner than that!"].</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Cull</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/07/under-the-moon-gores-giant-limp-for-mankind.html#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Cull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, 100 months to save the planet, which means we have until (correct me if I&#039;m wrong) 21st October 2016 or thereabouts. Didn&#039;t James Hansen give us until 2017? When we inevitably reach a few of these &quot;tipping points&quot;, I wonder whether anyone will actually tell us it&#039;s too late now, there&#039;s nothing anyone can do and we might as well enjoy the rest of our lives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, 100 months to save the planet, which means we have until (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) 21st October 2016 or thereabouts. Didn&#8217;t James Hansen give us until 2017? When we inevitably reach a few of these &#8220;tipping points&#8221;, I wonder whether anyone will actually tell us it&#8217;s too late now, there&#8217;s nothing anyone can do and we might as well enjoy the rest of our lives?</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/07/under-the-moon-gores-giant-limp-for-mankind.html#comment-491</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; The name is taken from President Franklin D Roosevelt’s “New Deal”, launched 75 years ago to bring the US out of the Great Depression.&quot;

Funny, some have argued that New Deal policies actually prolonged the Depression.  It could be argued that a natural event - the end of the great drought that lasted throughout the Thirties is what really helped end the Depression.

http://drought.unl.edu/whatis/dustbowl.htm - &lt;i&gt;The 1930s drought and its associated impacts finally began to abate during spring 1938. By 1941, most areas of the country were receiving near-normal rainfalls. These rains, along with the outbreak of World War II, alleviated many of the domestic economic problems associated with the 1930s. In fact, the new production demands and positive climatic conditions brought the United States into a rapid economic boom.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The name is taken from President Franklin D Roosevelt’s “New Deal”, launched 75 years ago to bring the US out of the Great Depression.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, some have argued that New Deal policies actually prolonged the Depression.  It could be argued that a natural event &#8211; the end of the great drought that lasted throughout the Thirties is what really helped end the Depression.</p>
<p><a href="http://drought.unl.edu/whatis/dustbowl.htm" rel="nofollow">http://drought.unl.edu/whatis/dustbowl.htm</a> &#8211; <i>The 1930s drought and its associated impacts finally began to abate during spring 1938. By 1941, most areas of the country were receiving near-normal rainfalls. These rains, along with the outbreak of World War II, alleviated many of the domestic economic problems associated with the 1930s. In fact, the new production demands and positive climatic conditions brought the United States into a rapid economic boom.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] » Under the Moon: Gore’s Giant Limp for Mankind Climate Resistance: Challenging Climate Orthodoxy The ten-year time-span, and the ‘big project’ are borrowed from JF Kennedy’s speech announcing the plan to put a man on the moon. Gore makes no secret of it, indeed, he is overtly trying to capture the&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] » Under the Moon: Gore’s Giant Limp for Mankind Climate Resistance: Challenging Climate Orthodoxy The ten-year time-span, and the ‘big project’ are borrowed from JF Kennedy’s speech announcing the plan to put a man on the moon. Gore makes no secret of it, indeed, he is overtly trying to capture the&hellip; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/07/under-the-moon-gores-giant-limp-for-mankind.html#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re a bit soft on old JFK; even if his rhetoric appealed to the best in man and is a thousand times better and more inspiring than environmentalist doom-mongering, let&#039;s not forget that the space race was not about transcending geopolitics but displacing technological competition from the pointless arms race (while yielding spin-off technologies and funding for the defence industry).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re a bit soft on old JFK; even if his rhetoric appealed to the best in man and is a thousand times better and more inspiring than environmentalist doom-mongering, let&#8217;s not forget that the space race was not about transcending geopolitics but displacing technological competition from the pointless arms race (while yielding spin-off technologies and funding for the defence industry).</p>
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		<title>By: Kriek Jooste</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/07/under-the-moon-gores-giant-limp-for-mankind.html#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Kriek Jooste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Big Environmentalism is behind the funding of the Green New Deal Group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Big Environmentalism is behind the funding of the Green New Deal Group.</p>
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