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		<title>By: Alex Cull</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Cull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We know how to change behavior and attitudes. That is what we do.&quot; It&#039;s interesting to look at Alan Kazdin&#039;s background. According to the APA&#039;s Monitor on Psychology web page, his &quot;research focuses on the development, treatment and clinical course of aggressive and antisocial child behavior&quot;, and he has specialised in treating &quot;at-risk behavior&quot;, such as teenage delinquency.

In his book Evidence-Based Psychotherapies for Children and Adolescents (co-edited with John R Weisz) there is a distinction between therapy in an adult context and in a child/adolescent context. &quot;In the context of adult therapy, psychotherapy is defined as a special interaction between two (or more) individuals in which one person (the patient or client) has sought help for a particular problem and in which another person (the therapist) provides conditions to alleviate that person&#039;s distress and to improve functioning in everyday life (Garfield, 1980; Walrond-Skinner, 1986). A more recent definition in the context of evaluating child and adolescent treatment defines therapy as any intervention that is designed to alleviate distress, reduce maladaptive behavior, or enhance adaptive functioning and that uses means that include counseling and structured or planned interventions (Weisz, Weiss, Han, Granger, &amp; Morton, 1995).&quot;

And in the next paragraph, after describing adult therapy, which involves the therapist giving support, encouragement, etc., directly to the adult client: &quot;The definition is modified slightly in relation to children and adolescents. For example, children usually do not seek help but someone responsible for them seeks treatment and in some cases the therapist may work more directly with responsible others (i.e., parents) than with the child.&quot;

Do you see where I&#039;m going with this? In my opinion, Dr Kazdin&#039;s &quot;We know how to change behavior&quot; statement seems to flow directly from his work with delinquent children. In his view, it seems that we are not responsible adults, capable of evaluating evidence and making up our own minds. We are children, whose delinquent and antisocial behaviour needs to be curbed and modified by wise, authoritative parent figures. It is as if &quot;children [sceptical members of the public] usually do not seek help but someone responsible for them seeks treatment and in some cases the therapist may work more directly with responsible others (i.e., parents [governments and the media]) than with the child [sceptic].&quot;

Some interesting reading can also be found here: http://www.alankazdin.com/index.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We know how to change behavior and attitudes. That is what we do.&#8221; It&#8217;s interesting to look at Alan Kazdin&#8217;s background. According to the APA&#8217;s Monitor on Psychology web page, his &#8220;research focuses on the development, treatment and clinical course of aggressive and antisocial child behavior&#8221;, and he has specialised in treating &#8220;at-risk behavior&#8221;, such as teenage delinquency.</p>
<p>In his book Evidence-Based Psychotherapies for Children and Adolescents (co-edited with John R Weisz) there is a distinction between therapy in an adult context and in a child/adolescent context. &#8220;In the context of adult therapy, psychotherapy is defined as a special interaction between two (or more) individuals in which one person (the patient or client) has sought help for a particular problem and in which another person (the therapist) provides conditions to alleviate that person&#8217;s distress and to improve functioning in everyday life (Garfield, 1980; Walrond-Skinner, 1986). A more recent definition in the context of evaluating child and adolescent treatment defines therapy as any intervention that is designed to alleviate distress, reduce maladaptive behavior, or enhance adaptive functioning and that uses means that include counseling and structured or planned interventions (Weisz, Weiss, Han, Granger, &amp; Morton, 1995).&#8221;</p>
<p>And in the next paragraph, after describing adult therapy, which involves the therapist giving support, encouragement, etc., directly to the adult client: &#8220;The definition is modified slightly in relation to children and adolescents. For example, children usually do not seek help but someone responsible for them seeks treatment and in some cases the therapist may work more directly with responsible others (i.e., parents) than with the child.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you see where I&#8217;m going with this? In my opinion, Dr Kazdin&#8217;s &#8220;We know how to change behavior&#8221; statement seems to flow directly from his work with delinquent children. In his view, it seems that we are not responsible adults, capable of evaluating evidence and making up our own minds. We are children, whose delinquent and antisocial behaviour needs to be curbed and modified by wise, authoritative parent figures. It is as if &#8220;children [sceptical members of the public] usually do not seek help but someone responsible for them seeks treatment and in some cases the therapist may work more directly with responsible others (i.e., parents [governments and the media]) than with the child [sceptic].&#8221;</p>
<p>Some interesting reading can also be found here: <a href="http://www.alankazdin.com/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.alankazdin.com/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Editors</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-573</link>
		<dc:creator>Editors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting to read comments such as those of Keen Undergraduate. Regardless of whether or not he or she is right, the triumphalism is premature; global warming has not yet bought about the doomsday. It almost seems as though, were it not to happen, KU would be disappointed.

KU should stick around, and is welcome to post comments. We started the blog in order to provide debate in an area we felt was lacking. There are other blogs where the pure science is debated, and others have their own perspective on the politics of climate change. We don&#039;t want people to come here just to agree.

KU’s comments relate to a post which was not about whether or not claims about the future of the climate had any foundation. Instead, it was about whether or not it was legitimate for psychologists to engage with the agenda in the way that they have; by theorising about people who fail to observe the diktats of the environmental movement.

As we say often, it is perfectly possible to believe that humans have influenced the climate, and that this influence will cause problems, while remaining sceptical of the political actions to try and stop it. Expressions such as &#039;climate change is real&#039;, as others here have pointed out, means absolutely nothing, yet from it are supposed to flow moral imperatives. Some of these are relatively harmless, we should &#039;recycle&#039;, we ought to think about how often we use our cars, &amp;c &amp;c.

But what these psychologists seem to be saying is that because &#039;climate change is real&#039;, they have a responsibility to begin to dehumanise dissent, and to pathologise it, and to make it an illness that needs to be treated. Disagreement with ‘the consensus’ is not explained as the expression of a rational engagement with the issues, but in mechanistic terms.

Even if &#039;climate change is real&#039;, it does not follow from it that it is right to treat people in this way. Increasingly, the environmental movement makes moral, political and economic claims which seem less about ‘saving the planet’, and much more to do with exerting control over society for the sake of it. The reasons for that desire, we would argue, are not in the atmosphere.

KU should take more care to understand what the arguments being made actually are. Like many of his comrades, he misses the point. This epitomises the environmental movement, which is high in moral tone, but lacks intellectual power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to read comments such as those of Keen Undergraduate. Regardless of whether or not he or she is right, the triumphalism is premature; global warming has not yet bought about the doomsday. It almost seems as though, were it not to happen, KU would be disappointed.</p>
<p>KU should stick around, and is welcome to post comments. We started the blog in order to provide debate in an area we felt was lacking. There are other blogs where the pure science is debated, and others have their own perspective on the politics of climate change. We don&#8217;t want people to come here just to agree.</p>
<p>KU’s comments relate to a post which was not about whether or not claims about the future of the climate had any foundation. Instead, it was about whether or not it was legitimate for psychologists to engage with the agenda in the way that they have; by theorising about people who fail to observe the diktats of the environmental movement.</p>
<p>As we say often, it is perfectly possible to believe that humans have influenced the climate, and that this influence will cause problems, while remaining sceptical of the political actions to try and stop it. Expressions such as &#8216;climate change is real&#8217;, as others here have pointed out, means absolutely nothing, yet from it are supposed to flow moral imperatives. Some of these are relatively harmless, we should &#8216;recycle&#8217;, we ought to think about how often we use our cars, &amp;c &amp;c.</p>
<p>But what these psychologists seem to be saying is that because &#8216;climate change is real&#8217;, they have a responsibility to begin to dehumanise dissent, and to pathologise it, and to make it an illness that needs to be treated. Disagreement with ‘the consensus’ is not explained as the expression of a rational engagement with the issues, but in mechanistic terms.</p>
<p>Even if &#8216;climate change is real&#8217;, it does not follow from it that it is right to treat people in this way. Increasingly, the environmental movement makes moral, political and economic claims which seem less about ‘saving the planet’, and much more to do with exerting control over society for the sake of it. The reasons for that desire, we would argue, are not in the atmosphere.</p>
<p>KU should take more care to understand what the arguments being made actually are. Like many of his comrades, he misses the point. This epitomises the environmental movement, which is high in moral tone, but lacks intellectual power.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Cull</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Cull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very interesting to see how far the global-warming-will-destroy-us idea has permeated society. There seems to be an almost total disconnect from history.

Yesterday I was in a bookshop and glanced at a book called Going Green, in which the author stated: &quot;Modern civilisations have built their lives around a more or less predictable climate over the past centuries.&quot;

Reading up on the history of the Little Ice Age, the exact opposite becomes clear. From roughly the mid-19th century onwards (in the northern hemisphere at least) climatic conditions became generally milder, with fewer harsh winters.

Before that, there were centuries with many extreme climatic events - freezing winters, scorching summers, monstrous storms.

The last few decades have generally seemed pleasant, stable and mild by comparison.

I&#039;m wondering how many more years of non-catastrophe we need to go through before the message starts to sink in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very interesting to see how far the global-warming-will-destroy-us idea has permeated society. There seems to be an almost total disconnect from history.</p>
<p>Yesterday I was in a bookshop and glanced at a book called Going Green, in which the author stated: &#8220;Modern civilisations have built their lives around a more or less predictable climate over the past centuries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reading up on the history of the Little Ice Age, the exact opposite becomes clear. From roughly the mid-19th century onwards (in the northern hemisphere at least) climatic conditions became generally milder, with fewer harsh winters.</p>
<p>Before that, there were centuries with many extreme climatic events &#8211; freezing winters, scorching summers, monstrous storms.</p>
<p>The last few decades have generally seemed pleasant, stable and mild by comparison.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering how many more years of non-catastrophe we need to go through before the message starts to sink in.</p>
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		<title>By: jnicklin</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>jnicklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keen Undergaduate,

Yes, climate change is real, it changes all the time, always has, always will. Its been changing for some 4.5 billion years. If you had been alive at the end of the last ice age, would you try to stop that? And, yes, our activities do have some effect, a very small effect, probably insignificant.

The belief that we control or drive the climate is just plain human arrogance. Look around, make observations, real world observations, not computer model outputs. Read the literature on both sides of the arguement. If you want to believe that humans control the climate and that we are getting to a tipping point, please feel free to do so. James Hansen laid out three scenarios in the 1980&#039;s. The most realistic one, the one that matches what we are actually seeing is the one scenario that required massive cutbacks in emmissions. Gore claimed that several island nations are being flooded by rising seas, its not happening, unless you call 3 or 4 milliletres as drastic rise.

The average global temperature has risen about 0.7 + or - 0.2 degrees C in the last hundred years, after we came out of a mini ice age. You can&#039;t even detect that amount of delta when it happens immediately.

But, like I said, its up to you to decide what you believe. Its all opinion anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keen Undergaduate,</p>
<p>Yes, climate change is real, it changes all the time, always has, always will. Its been changing for some 4.5 billion years. If you had been alive at the end of the last ice age, would you try to stop that? And, yes, our activities do have some effect, a very small effect, probably insignificant.</p>
<p>The belief that we control or drive the climate is just plain human arrogance. Look around, make observations, real world observations, not computer model outputs. Read the literature on both sides of the arguement. If you want to believe that humans control the climate and that we are getting to a tipping point, please feel free to do so. James Hansen laid out three scenarios in the 1980&#8242;s. The most realistic one, the one that matches what we are actually seeing is the one scenario that required massive cutbacks in emmissions. Gore claimed that several island nations are being flooded by rising seas, its not happening, unless you call 3 or 4 milliletres as drastic rise.</p>
<p>The average global temperature has risen about 0.7 + or &#8211; 0.2 degrees C in the last hundred years, after we came out of a mini ice age. You can&#8217;t even detect that amount of delta when it happens immediately.</p>
<p>But, like I said, its up to you to decide what you believe. Its all opinion anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: A keen undergraduate</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>A keen undergraduate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are wrong.  Climate change is real.  You will have to eat your words one day.  This is the first and last time I will post here, because I have no wish to become a troll.  Here&#039;s an article for your enjoyment:

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/coming-down-to-earth-20080815-3wdz.html

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are wrong.  Climate change is real.  You will have to eat your words one day.  This is the first and last time I will post here, because I have no wish to become a troll.  Here&#8217;s an article for your enjoyment:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theage.com.au/environment/coming-down-to-earth-20080815-3wdz.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/environment/coming-down-to-earth-20080815-3wdz.html</a></p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: wrash001</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>wrash001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their was a book written in the 60s about Psychologist and Lawyers running the country. I believe a lady named Caldwell wrote it. So I see that they proclame global change is mentally unhealthy and we are all required to go through brain washing to correct our views. The lawyers will create the laws. We will all be working for the State and will walk to work. Our income will be taxed to maintain all the beautiful parks in the world, which only our saviours the elite liberals, Psycologists,and Lawyers may enjoy. Sounds like Communism to me. All based on a computer model and very little science. The Bible says beware of science so called.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their was a book written in the 60s about Psychologist and Lawyers running the country. I believe a lady named Caldwell wrote it. So I see that they proclame global change is mentally unhealthy and we are all required to go through brain washing to correct our views. The lawyers will create the laws. We will all be working for the State and will walk to work. Our income will be taxed to maintain all the beautiful parks in the world, which only our saviours the elite liberals, Psycologists,and Lawyers may enjoy. Sounds like Communism to me. All based on a computer model and very little science. The Bible says beware of science so called.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psychologists have been working with marketing and advertising for years. Thsi is not news but I think that this really is a cash grab on this basis, plus are they seriously contemplating editing News by the Government(Ministry of Information) to convey the proper message? Next did you notice they had to ADD a dissenting viewpoint to the test media? This would contridict the entire basis for the need of their intervention.

I will keep on eye on this but it seems that we have a case of a left-over sect of Eugenecists roaming around our mental health care profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychologists have been working with marketing and advertising for years. Thsi is not news but I think that this really is a cash grab on this basis, plus are they seriously contemplating editing News by the Government(Ministry of Information) to convey the proper message? Next did you notice they had to ADD a dissenting viewpoint to the test media? This would contridict the entire basis for the need of their intervention.</p>
<p>I will keep on eye on this but it seems that we have a case of a left-over sect of Eugenecists roaming around our mental health care profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Editors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon has written in to point out that Stanford is not an Ivy-League University, as we beleived it to be at the time of writing.

Our defence is a late night post at the end of a long, boring day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon has written in to point out that Stanford is not an Ivy-League University, as we beleived it to be at the time of writing.</p>
<p>Our defence is a late night post at the end of a long, boring day.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaboom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about our children??

How can you sleep at night, knowing that what you are propagating is the biggest lie ever against humanity?

Professor Hansen was correct - we need to have trials and convictions of denialist criminals!!!1!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about our children??</p>
<p>How can you sleep at night, knowing that what you are propagating is the biggest lie ever against humanity?</p>
<p>Professor Hansen was correct &#8211; we need to have trials and convictions of denialist criminals!!!1!!</p>
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		<title>By: Editors</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/08/we-have-ways-of-making-you-walk.html#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Editors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timo. The link should be working now. Thanks for letting us know about the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timo. The link should be working now. Thanks for letting us know about the problem.</p>
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