Comments on: Road to an Atomic Damascus or the Green Reformation? http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html Challenging Climate Orthodoxy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:46:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Climate Resistance » In Whom Do We Trust? http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-7540 Climate Resistance » In Whom Do We Trust? Sun, 24 Apr 2011 17:56:42 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-7540 [...] 2008, Lynas claimed to have experienced a ‘Damascene conversion: the Green case against nuclear power is based largely on myth and dogma.’ Monbiot agreed. [...] [...] 2008, Lynas claimed to have experienced a ‘Damascene conversion: the Green case against nuclear power is based largely on myth and dogma.’ Monbiot agreed. [...]

]]> By: Climate Resistance » What? The Green Movement Got Something Wrong?! http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-721 Climate Resistance » What? The Green Movement Got Something Wrong?! Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:10:27 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-721 [...] was Lynas’s conversion a Road to an Atomic Damascus or the Green Reformation, we asked, as Lynas battled with another favourite of ours, Green Party leader, Caroline Lucas. [...] [...] was Lynas’s conversion a Road to an Atomic Damascus or the Green Reformation, we asked, as Lynas battled with another favourite of ours, Green Party leader, Caroline Lucas. [...]

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-720 George Carty Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:26:47 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-720 Paul I think you were right about corruption being a big motivator behind renewables-obligation laws. <a href="http://ef-magazin.de/2008/11/30/830-oekologisch-industrieller-komplex-die-allparteien-koalition-gruener-amigos" rel="nofollow">This article</a> (unfortunately it's in German) documents how the old military-industrial complex in Germany morphed into an "ecological-industrial complex" of renewable-energy industries, with close ties to politicians in all of Germany's major political parties. I think that this information can be political dynamite - the Greens have ruthlessly exploited popular distrust of Big Business in order to hijack the Left: this could be the way to turn the tables on them. I still don't understand your comments about Britain's contributions to the EU though: if you are arguing that money contributed to the EU by the UK (or any other EU member state) is being stolen by corrupt eurocrats, then that would be happening irrespective of whether or not the EU was imposing any renewables targets. In terms of politics, "corrupt" means "supports bad policies for reasons of personal gain". Therefore, to show that any policy is the result of corruption you need to show exactly how the policy's supporters stand to profit from it. Paul

I think you were right about corruption being a big motivator behind renewables-obligation laws. This article (unfortunately it’s in German) documents how the old military-industrial complex in Germany morphed into an “ecological-industrial complex” of renewable-energy industries, with close ties to politicians in all of Germany’s major political parties.

I think that this information can be political dynamite – the Greens have ruthlessly exploited popular distrust of Big Business in order to hijack the Left: this could be the way to turn the tables on them.

I still don’t understand your comments about Britain’s contributions to the EU though: if you are arguing that money contributed to the EU by the UK (or any other EU member state) is being stolen by corrupt eurocrats, then that would be happening irrespective of whether or not the EU was imposing any renewables targets.

In terms of politics, “corrupt” means “supports bad policies for reasons of personal gain”. Therefore, to show that any policy is the result of corruption you need to show exactly how the policy’s supporters stand to profit from it.

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-719 George Carty Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:20:14 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-719 <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/9575675@N08/2922737568/" rel="nofollow">Here's my attempt at a propaganda poster</a> attacking the German nuclear phase-out... Here’s my attempt at a propaganda poster attacking the German nuclear phase-out…

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-718 George Carty Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:24:47 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-718 If the Eurocrats aren't in the pocket of Gazprom or other natural gas suppliers (wind and solar expansion means a greater demand for gas, because coal and nuclear cannot throttle up quickly enough to be used efficiently as backup for those unreliable energy sources), how would they personally profit from the unachievable renewables target? If the Eurocrats aren’t in the pocket of Gazprom or other natural gas suppliers (wind and solar expansion means a greater demand for gas, because coal and nuclear cannot throttle up quickly enough to be used efficiently as backup for those unreliable energy sources), how would they personally profit from the unachievable renewables target?

]]> By: Paul http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-717 Paul Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:35:11 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-717 Hello again George I don't hold with 'conspiracy theories' nor do I think that the eurocrats are deluded. I do think though that what 'motivates' them, is that they have their noses in a bottomless trough of our money...as an example Britain 'gives' the EU over one million pounds per HOUR just to be a member of the EU And fraud costs us on top of this....see here http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/12946 Enough money that we could soon build and run each of those Nuclear power stations The EU has some 400 million citizens...But the British commonwealth (which still exists) has one and a half BILLION people in it. We should be able to trade with them, as well as the EU if we were to Quit. Hello again George

I don’t hold with ‘conspiracy theories’ nor do I think that the eurocrats are deluded.

I do think though that what ‘motivates’ them, is that they have their noses in a bottomless
trough of our money…as an example Britain ‘gives’ the EU over one million pounds per HOUR
just to be a member of the EU

And fraud costs us on top of this….see here

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/12946

Enough money that we could soon build and run each of those Nuclear power stations

The EU has some 400 million citizens…But the British commonwealth (which still exists) has one and a half BILLION people in it. We should be able to trade with them, as well as the EU if we were to Quit.

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-716 George Carty Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:07:23 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-716 I'm not convinced on the idea of withdrawing from the EU, as I feel that a Britain outside the EU would be highly vulnerable to American bullying. Do you believe that the Eurocrats are deluded? Or do you think some of them have more sinister agendas on energy, or perhaps that (like Gerhard Schroeder) they have been bought by Gazprom? I’m not convinced on the idea of withdrawing from the EU, as I feel that a Britain outside the EU would be highly vulnerable to American bullying.

Do you believe that the Eurocrats are deluded? Or do you think some of them have more sinister agendas on energy, or perhaps that (like Gerhard Schroeder) they have been bought by Gazprom?

]]> By: Paul http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-715 Paul Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:39:37 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-715 hello George thank you so much for taking the time to watch the Video Yes they are indeed looney polices. and as such seems to be the way of the EU. I do not believe they to 'want ' to repeal them. However If Britain did quty the EU I believe we couls 'show the way by example. Ps. I am a member of UKIP hello George

thank you so much for taking the time to watch the Video

Yes they are indeed looney polices. and as such seems to be the way of the EU. I do not believe they to ‘want ‘ to repeal them.

However If Britain did quty the EU I believe we couls ‘show the way by example.

Ps. I am a member of UKIP

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-714 George Carty Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:48:46 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-714 Interesting video Paul, but wouldn't it be better to repeal those loony policies in Brussels (thus solving the problem Europe-wide), rather than withdrawing from the EU, which would only fix Britain and not the Continent? Interesting video Paul, but wouldn’t it be better to repeal those loony policies in Brussels (thus solving the problem Europe-wide), rather than withdrawing from the EU, which would only fix Britain and not the Continent?

]]> By: Paul http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/09/road-to-an-atomic-damascus-or-the-green-reformation.html#comment-713 Paul Sun, 05 Oct 2008 08:43:42 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=219#comment-713 This is well worth watching...(about why we are at this state) http://www.ivc6.com/greenfieldtv/outofcontrol1.html This is well worth watching…(about why we are at this state)

http://www.ivc6.com/greenfieldtv/outofcontrol1.html

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