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		<title>By: &#124;</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-16372</link>
		<dc:creator>&#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been several posts on this blog about Oxfam’s need for victims to legitimise its function, here, here,here and here — so there’s no need to repeat the point. (Though Oxfam didn’t listen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have been several posts on this blog about Oxfam’s need for victims to legitimise its function, here, here,here and here — so there’s no need to repeat the point. (Though Oxfam didn’t listen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Resistance &#187; Against Development</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-16304</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Resistance &#187; Against Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been several posts on this blog about Oxfam&#8217;s need for victims to legitimise its function, here, here, here and here &#8212; so there&#8217;s no need to repeat the point. (Though Oxfam [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been several posts on this blog about Oxfam&#8217;s need for victims to legitimise its function, here, here, here and here &#8212; so there&#8217;s no need to repeat the point. (Though Oxfam [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stefano Mori

Isn&#039;t it extremely difficult to live simply these days, because while the price of food and most other goods has decreased relative to incomes, the price of housing has &lt;i&gt;increased&lt;/i&gt;?

This is because many voters who already own homes (especially in marginal constituencies) want house prices to be high (Mark Wadsworth coined the term &quot;Home-Owner-Ists&quot; for such people), and have sought to ensure this by obstructing the construction of new homes, even in the face of mass immigration.

Another factor may also be the fact that MPs can buy second homes for themselves with taxpayers&#039; money, giving them a vested interest in high house prices.

Ironically, the Home-Owner-Ists often excuse their greedy NIMBYism on the pretext of &quot;protecting the Green Belt&quot;.

Perhaps an attack on Home-Owner-Ism (through the building of lots more council houses, or through the introduction of a Land Value Tax and reduction of other taxes to compensate) could allow people to work less and restore some of the lost sense of community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stefano Mori</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it extremely difficult to live simply these days, because while the price of food and most other goods has decreased relative to incomes, the price of housing has <i>increased</i>?</p>
<p>This is because many voters who already own homes (especially in marginal constituencies) want house prices to be high (Mark Wadsworth coined the term &#8220;Home-Owner-Ists&#8221; for such people), and have sought to ensure this by obstructing the construction of new homes, even in the face of mass immigration.</p>
<p>Another factor may also be the fact that MPs can buy second homes for themselves with taxpayers&#8217; money, giving them a vested interest in high house prices.</p>
<p>Ironically, the Home-Owner-Ists often excuse their greedy NIMBYism on the pretext of &#8220;protecting the Green Belt&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps an attack on Home-Owner-Ism (through the building of lots more council houses, or through the introduction of a Land Value Tax and reduction of other taxes to compensate) could allow people to work less and restore some of the lost sense of community.</p>
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		<title>By: Technomist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Technomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Agitprop.

My wife saw a pair of models. She grew up amid real poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Agitprop.</p>
<p>My wife saw a pair of models. She grew up amid real poverty.</p>
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		<title>By: TDK</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-834</link>
		<dc:creator>TDK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s an element of the &quot;noble savage&quot; in these ideas. A generation has grown up accepting uncritically the ideas of orientalism. They assume that their white predecessors universally viewed the third world as primitive and inferior and in reaction go to the opposite extreme and idealise it or, at the very least, disdain from describing any element as inferior. Universalism is a white European conceit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s an element of the &#8220;noble savage&#8221; in these ideas. A generation has grown up accepting uncritically the ideas of orientalism. They assume that their white predecessors universally viewed the third world as primitive and inferior and in reaction go to the opposite extreme and idealise it or, at the very least, disdain from describing any element as inferior. Universalism is a white European conceit.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Greer</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Art as a mobilization tool’? Just as both Oxfam and Cecil fail to explain how small adjustments to lifestyles are equivalent to a gift of fertility to the soils tended by the poor, they fail to explain how an image can create a positive engagement with a political idea. Can images do that? How?&lt;/i&gt;

I am reminded of the satirical blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stuff White People Like&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their take&lt;/a&gt; on such mobilization tools:

&lt;i&gt;An interesting fact about white people is that they firmly believe that all of the world’s problems can be solved through “awareness.”  Meaning the process of making other people aware of problems, and then magically someone else like the government will fix it.

This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges.  Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware.  In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem.  End of story.

What makes this even more appealing for white people is that you can raise “awareness” through expensive dinners, parties, marathons, selling t-shirts, fashion shows, concerts, eating at restaurants and bracelets.  In other words, white people just have to keep doing stuff they like, EXCEPT now they can feel better about making a difference.

Raising awareness is also awesome because once you raise awareness to an acceptable, aribtrary level, you can just back off and say “Bam! did my part.  Now it’s your turn.  Fix it.”

So to summarize - you get all the benefits of helping (self satisfaction, telling other people) but no need for difficult decisions or the ensuing criticism (how do you criticize awareness?).  Once again, white people find a way to score that sweet double victory.

Popular things to be aware of: The Environment, Diseases like Cancer and AIDS, Africa, Poverty, Anorexia, Homophobia,  Midde School Field Hockey/Lacrosse teams, Drug Rehab, and political prisoners.&lt;/i&gt;

Obviously the &quot;White people&quot; reffered to here are not the entire race, but the more specific youngish, liberal, multiculturalist types that are the lifeblood of the environmental movement.

~T. Greer, noting that SWPL also has a funny post on recycling&lt;/a&gt; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Art as a mobilization tool’? Just as both Oxfam and Cecil fail to explain how small adjustments to lifestyles are equivalent to a gift of fertility to the soils tended by the poor, they fail to explain how an image can create a positive engagement with a political idea. Can images do that? How?</i></p>
<p>I am reminded of the satirical blog, <a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/" rel="nofollow">Stuff White People Like</a> and <a href="http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/18-awareness/" rel="nofollow">their take</a> on such mobilization tools:</p>
<p><i>An interesting fact about white people is that they firmly believe that all of the world’s problems can be solved through “awareness.”  Meaning the process of making other people aware of problems, and then magically someone else like the government will fix it.</p>
<p>This belief allows them to feel that sweet self-satisfaction without actually having to solve anything or face any difficult challenges.  Because, the only challenge of raising awareness is people not being aware.  In a worst case scenario, if you fail someone doesn’t know about the problem.  End of story.</p>
<p>What makes this even more appealing for white people is that you can raise “awareness” through expensive dinners, parties, marathons, selling t-shirts, fashion shows, concerts, eating at restaurants and bracelets.  In other words, white people just have to keep doing stuff they like, EXCEPT now they can feel better about making a difference.</p>
<p>Raising awareness is also awesome because once you raise awareness to an acceptable, aribtrary level, you can just back off and say “Bam! did my part.  Now it’s your turn.  Fix it.”</p>
<p>So to summarize &#8211; you get all the benefits of helping (self satisfaction, telling other people) but no need for difficult decisions or the ensuing criticism (how do you criticize awareness?).  Once again, white people find a way to score that sweet double victory.</p>
<p>Popular things to be aware of: The Environment, Diseases like Cancer and AIDS, Africa, Poverty, Anorexia, Homophobia,  Midde School Field Hockey/Lacrosse teams, Drug Rehab, and political prisoners.</i></p>
<p>Obviously the &#8220;White people&#8221; reffered to here are not the entire race, but the more specific youngish, liberal, multiculturalist types that are the lifeblood of the environmental movement.</p>
<p>~T. Greer, noting that SWPL also has a funny post on recycling as well.</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-835</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve all got it wrong.  What I see in the painting is third world insecticide application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve all got it wrong.  What I see in the painting is third world insecticide application.</p>
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		<title>By: jabailo</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>jabailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, global warming or not, precipitation in the Sahara is increasing and it&#039;s potentially one gigantic farm with a bit more water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, global warming or not, precipitation in the Sahara is increasing and it&#8217;s potentially one gigantic farm with a bit more water.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefano Mori</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefano Mori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reality the world is a very abundant place, full of resources that we just haven&#039;t figured out how to use yet, like how we turn common sand into microchips.

In the previous thread, Talisker referred to an article on opendemocracy.net which attacked people&#039;s materialistic values, and the need to replace these with something more &quot;caring&quot;.

I think this is why it is so difficult to talk to environmentalists about &quot;sustainability&quot;. If we could demonstrate that resources are not running out, we would still be rejected because we would be implying that it is OK to keep consuming. The typical environmentalists want us to change and give up the materialistic lifestyle, they want us to change and become people who are more interested in other things, like human harmony.

I&#039;ve talked to my enviro friends, and at the end of the discussion, when we&#039;ve got to the point where we can all agree that we are NOT running out of resources, I get the reply, &quot;yes but can&#039;t we just all slow down anyway, to a simpler quieter life of community?&quot;

And my reply is, that&#039;s fine for you dear, if that&#039;s the life you&#039;d like. Go ahead and arrange your own life so that you can have that lifestyle now. Nobody is asking you to be a fatcat businessman, instead find something that suits you, like you could go become a counsellor and work with relationships and care.

But let&#039;s not assume that future generations are all going to feel the same way as you; many of them will be just as interested in acquiring materialistic stuff and technologies--an NMR medical scanner in every clinic, being able to travel round the world at Mach 8, access to and use of 10 times the amount of energy we use today, sophisticated robotics tech in every home--and it is not our call to say they should not have that. How would we have liked it if previous generations had decided that the internet consumed too much power and we should stick with a simpler, slower, quieter pace ? Letters delivered by bicycle?

As Westerners, we&#039;ve done our intensive materialist pursuit for a few centuries, and created reasonably comfortable lives for ourselves. So it is easy to say, well, let&#039;s slow down, let&#039;s look after the trees more, let&#039;s improve the air. The rest of the world has yet gain materialistic satisfaction, and as we see with India, they will not sacrifice development for climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reality the world is a very abundant place, full of resources that we just haven&#8217;t figured out how to use yet, like how we turn common sand into microchips.</p>
<p>In the previous thread, Talisker referred to an article on opendemocracy.net which attacked people&#8217;s materialistic values, and the need to replace these with something more &#8220;caring&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think this is why it is so difficult to talk to environmentalists about &#8220;sustainability&#8221;. If we could demonstrate that resources are not running out, we would still be rejected because we would be implying that it is OK to keep consuming. The typical environmentalists want us to change and give up the materialistic lifestyle, they want us to change and become people who are more interested in other things, like human harmony.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve talked to my enviro friends, and at the end of the discussion, when we&#8217;ve got to the point where we can all agree that we are NOT running out of resources, I get the reply, &#8220;yes but can&#8217;t we just all slow down anyway, to a simpler quieter life of community?&#8221;</p>
<p>And my reply is, that&#8217;s fine for you dear, if that&#8217;s the life you&#8217;d like. Go ahead and arrange your own life so that you can have that lifestyle now. Nobody is asking you to be a fatcat businessman, instead find something that suits you, like you could go become a counsellor and work with relationships and care.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not assume that future generations are all going to feel the same way as you; many of them will be just as interested in acquiring materialistic stuff and technologies&#8211;an NMR medical scanner in every clinic, being able to travel round the world at Mach 8, access to and use of 10 times the amount of energy we use today, sophisticated robotics tech in every home&#8211;and it is not our call to say they should not have that. How would we have liked it if previous generations had decided that the internet consumed too much power and we should stick with a simpler, slower, quieter pace ? Letters delivered by bicycle?</p>
<p>As Westerners, we&#8217;ve done our intensive materialist pursuit for a few centuries, and created reasonably comfortable lives for ourselves. So it is easy to say, well, let&#8217;s slow down, let&#8217;s look after the trees more, let&#8217;s improve the air. The rest of the world has yet gain materialistic satisfaction, and as we see with India, they will not sacrifice development for climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Cull</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/11/painting-pictures-of-poverty.html#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Cull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All good points. Additionally, I find it unfortunate that Oxfam are expending resources on, and drumming up publicity for, such nebulous and contentious issues as &quot;environmental justice&quot;, when there are rather more pressing matters to address, such as the current dire situation in the Congo. To be fair, they are providing help and scaling up their efforts in eastern Congo, which is commendable, and is what Oxfam and similar agencies do best - disaster relief, basically. But I find it a bit disappointing that with a real emergency on their hands, so much time, money and effort is still being wasted on the fight against &quot;greenhouse gas pollution&quot;. On Oxfam&#039;s American site, click on &quot;Join a Campaign&quot; and what is at the top of the list? Well, naturally – &quot;Climate Change.&quot; I think &quot;Help Stop Destructive Tribal Conflicts&quot; might be more appropriate, given the circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All good points. Additionally, I find it unfortunate that Oxfam are expending resources on, and drumming up publicity for, such nebulous and contentious issues as &#8220;environmental justice&#8221;, when there are rather more pressing matters to address, such as the current dire situation in the Congo. To be fair, they are providing help and scaling up their efforts in eastern Congo, which is commendable, and is what Oxfam and similar agencies do best &#8211; disaster relief, basically. But I find it a bit disappointing that with a real emergency on their hands, so much time, money and effort is still being wasted on the fight against &#8220;greenhouse gas pollution&#8221;. On Oxfam&#8217;s American site, click on &#8220;Join a Campaign&#8221; and what is at the top of the list? Well, naturally – &#8220;Climate Change.&#8221; I think &#8220;Help Stop Destructive Tribal Conflicts&#8221; might be more appropriate, given the circumstances.</p>
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