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		<title>By: YerTizz</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>YerTizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all their pronouncements of gloom and doom by Phony Blair and the other Muppets at the top of the political ant-heap they cannot see there is not a shred of independent scientific evidence that AGW is a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all their pronouncements of gloom and doom by Phony Blair and the other Muppets at the top of the political ant-heap they cannot see there is not a shred of independent scientific evidence that AGW is a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1184</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But that’s more or less speculation. There isn’t scientific documentation other than the observations,”

I love that one. Observations are the very basis of scientific documentation. Does he mean computer-model output?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But that’s more or less speculation. There isn’t scientific documentation other than the observations,”</p>
<p>I love that one. Observations are the very basis of scientific documentation. Does he mean computer-model output?</p>
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		<title>By: CO2 LDPLAY</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>CO2 LDPLAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..And don&#039;t forget we might need a 100% cut - The hysterics remind me of Reading the Maquis de Sade where what is supposed to be decadent and perverse ends up more and more silly and absurd.

I&#039;d hope a more skeptical  public view is taken before 80% reductions are reached - as everyone&#039;s noted going green is sold as light hearted fun - I see relaunched Ethical Man is now going to do really cool fun stuff like using public transport... in the States(!) - wow - I mean going green always involves a holiday - only with a carbon crunching BBC research team round you - slightly less fun struggling with shopping and screaming brats everyday in a fart infested bus tho I suggest

And really that&#039;s It - people seem to be total unable to link such cuts and philosophy with the reality of what it will mean for them - the best and most telling part of the whole Ethical man is his wife&#039;s disappointed comment, whilst standing a well stocked modern kitchen, that all the silliness had reduced there carbon only 20% -

&quot;That&#039;s all we&#039;ve saved?....It just felt...It felt like more then that&quot;

Uh ? Bollox to the polar bears I was enjoying that. Spoil sport bastard Cake-man

Perhaps they should try the next and the next 20% - culminating in season five and final zero % carbon goal post - Ethical man dashes himself on a cliff face for the gulls to eat


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..And don&#8217;t forget we might need a 100% cut &#8211; The hysterics remind me of Reading the Maquis de Sade where what is supposed to be decadent and perverse ends up more and more silly and absurd.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d hope a more skeptical  public view is taken before 80% reductions are reached &#8211; as everyone&#8217;s noted going green is sold as light hearted fun &#8211; I see relaunched Ethical Man is now going to do really cool fun stuff like using public transport&#8230; in the States(!) &#8211; wow &#8211; I mean going green always involves a holiday &#8211; only with a carbon crunching BBC research team round you &#8211; slightly less fun struggling with shopping and screaming brats everyday in a fart infested bus tho I suggest</p>
<p>And really that&#8217;s It &#8211; people seem to be total unable to link such cuts and philosophy with the reality of what it will mean for them &#8211; the best and most telling part of the whole Ethical man is his wife&#8217;s disappointed comment, whilst standing a well stocked modern kitchen, that all the silliness had reduced there carbon only 20% -</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s all we&#8217;ve saved?&#8230;.It just felt&#8230;It felt like more then that&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh ? Bollox to the polar bears I was enjoying that. Spoil sport bastard Cake-man</p>
<p>Perhaps they should try the next and the next 20% &#8211; culminating in season five and final zero % carbon goal post &#8211; Ethical man dashes himself on a cliff face for the gulls to eat</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1182</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much anyone I speak to now who has a remote interest in the climate change story and data thinks the hysteria is hogwash. They would ignore all this hysteria but for it being so irritating. Perhaps the key point is when the great unwashed reach a &#039;tipping point&#039; and take on the same skeptical view. Will they revolt when the enormity of all this hits home and we have the likes of Miliband and his dark greenie army entering our houses and fining us when we don&#039;t meet the made up enviromental targets?

Part of me wants this hysteria to continue, for horrendous CO2 targets to be set up at Copenhagen. Then when we don&#039;t meet the CO2 reduction targets it will allow us to finally say &quot;look you goons, you&#039;ve failed but we are still ok&quot;. My worry is that somehow they do force us to cut CO2 by 80% and then they claim that it was this action that stopped us frying (when of course we will be ok anyway ...in my humble opinion).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much anyone I speak to now who has a remote interest in the climate change story and data thinks the hysteria is hogwash. They would ignore all this hysteria but for it being so irritating. Perhaps the key point is when the great unwashed reach a &#8216;tipping point&#8217; and take on the same skeptical view. Will they revolt when the enormity of all this hits home and we have the likes of Miliband and his dark greenie army entering our houses and fining us when we don&#8217;t meet the made up enviromental targets?</p>
<p>Part of me wants this hysteria to continue, for horrendous CO2 targets to be set up at Copenhagen. Then when we don&#8217;t meet the CO2 reduction targets it will allow us to finally say &#8220;look you goons, you&#8217;ve failed but we are still ok&#8221;. My worry is that somehow they do force us to cut CO2 by 80% and then they claim that it was this action that stopped us frying (when of course we will be ok anyway &#8230;in my humble opinion).</p>
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		<title>By: harbinger</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>harbinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This record is stuck in the groove a little, this is another one in the series:
Reuters, Fri, 28 Sep 2007 http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/

Oslo - A record melt of Arctic summer sea ice this month may be a sign that global warming is reaching a critical trigger point that could accelerate the northern thaw, some scientists say.

&quot;The reason so much (of the Arctic ice) went suddenly is that it is hitting a tipping point that we have been warning about for the past few years,&quot; James Hansen, director of NASA&#039;s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, told Reuters.

In Germany, the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research says Arctic sea ice has &quot;already tipped&quot;.

&quot;I&#039;d say we are reaching a tipping point or are past it for the ice. This is a strong indication that there is an amplifying mechanism here,&quot; said Paal Prestrud of the Center for International Climate and Environmental Research in Oslo.

&quot;But that&#039;s more or less speculation. There isn&#039;t scientific documentation other than the observations,&quot; he said.

So no science but we&#039;ll say it anyway because we know how the Press will handle it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This record is stuck in the groove a little, this is another one in the series:<br />
Reuters, Fri, 28 Sep 2007 <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/</a></p>
<p>Oslo &#8211; A record melt of Arctic summer sea ice this month may be a sign that global warming is reaching a critical trigger point that could accelerate the northern thaw, some scientists say.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason so much (of the Arctic ice) went suddenly is that it is hitting a tipping point that we have been warning about for the past few years,&#8221; James Hansen, director of NASA&#8217;s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, told Reuters.</p>
<p>In Germany, the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research says Arctic sea ice has &#8220;already tipped&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d say we are reaching a tipping point or are past it for the ice. This is a strong indication that there is an amplifying mechanism here,&#8221; said Paal Prestrud of the Center for International Climate and Environmental Research in Oslo.</p>
<p>&#8220;But that&#8217;s more or less speculation. There isn&#8217;t scientific documentation other than the observations,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>So no science but we&#8217;ll say it anyway because we know how the Press will handle it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Cull</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Cull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something of an irony here. Vicky Pope in The Guardian, 11th February: &quot;News headlines vie for attention and it is easy for scientists to grab this attention by linking climate change to the latest extreme weather event or apocalyptic prediction. But in doing so, the public perception of climate change can be distorted.&quot;

Then just four days later there&#039;s James Hansen in The Observer (Guardian), 15th February, talking of &quot;death trains&quot; and &quot;death factories&quot;, and telling us &quot;we will destroy the planet we know.&quot;

And as CO2LDPLAY has mentioned, there&#039;s Dr Field now predicting that future temperatures &quot;will be beyond anything&quot; predicted.

Here&#039;s my own modest prediction: that in the run-up to Copenhagen later this year, we will see a sizeable increase in exactly the kind of &quot;apocalyptic prediction&quot; now being warned against by Vicky Pope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something of an irony here. Vicky Pope in The Guardian, 11th February: &#8220;News headlines vie for attention and it is easy for scientists to grab this attention by linking climate change to the latest extreme weather event or apocalyptic prediction. But in doing so, the public perception of climate change can be distorted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then just four days later there&#8217;s James Hansen in The Observer (Guardian), 15th February, talking of &#8220;death trains&#8221; and &#8220;death factories&#8221;, and telling us &#8220;we will destroy the planet we know.&#8221;</p>
<p>And as CO2LDPLAY has mentioned, there&#8217;s Dr Field now predicting that future temperatures &#8220;will be beyond anything&#8221; predicted.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my own modest prediction: that in the run-up to Copenhagen later this year, we will see a sizeable increase in exactly the kind of &#8220;apocalyptic prediction&#8221; now being warned against by Vicky Pope.</p>
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		<title>By: CO2 LDPLAY</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/a-crisis-of-faith-in-crisis-politics.html#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>CO2 LDPLAY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What like Prof Chris field? Turns out AGW is gonna be worse then predicted - I am not sure how it could be much worse than some predictions other then The End now having a cast of Daemons added or a musical score by Coldplay.

Luckily there&#039;s some cold science here - which I think runs like this - hot stuff dries - dry stuff burns - Global warming + wood = fire.

I have run a skeptical Climate modeling program - turns out rising sea levels quench the flames


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7890988.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What like Prof Chris field? Turns out AGW is gonna be worse then predicted &#8211; I am not sure how it could be much worse than some predictions other then The End now having a cast of Daemons added or a musical score by Coldplay.</p>
<p>Luckily there&#8217;s some cold science here &#8211; which I think runs like this &#8211; hot stuff dries &#8211; dry stuff burns &#8211; Global warming + wood = fire.</p>
<p>I have run a skeptical Climate modeling program &#8211; turns out rising sea levels quench the flames</p>
<p>*<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7890988.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7890988.stm</a></p>
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