Comments on: The Consensus: Carbon DiOccidental? http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html Challenging Climate Orthodoxy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alex Cull http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html#comment-1209 Alex Cull Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:10:13 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=299#comment-1209 At the same time, ironically there are people such as the Plane Stupids who are criticising the UK government precisely because they think the government isn't doing enough to curtail CO2. What seems clear is that the current government, plus whoever succeeds them, will increasingly find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They cannot please the environmentalists, who want a carbon-neutral economy (not possible any time soon) or the electorate, who want decent goods and services that they can afford and electricity on tap. When push comes to shove - as it probably will, after years of recession, and the threat of power shortages - I think the voice of the electorate will eventually be decisive. Re soft toilet paper, has anyone seen this?- http://living.wallypop.net/wipes.html (Link courtesy of Tom Nelson's blog.) An interesting idea. There's a page further on, which has instructions on how to use and wash these. I note: "Wash in hot, dry in the dryer". So, washing machines (set to hot), and dryers. Powered by...? At the same time, ironically there are people such as the Plane Stupids who are criticising the UK government precisely because they think the government isn’t doing enough to curtail CO2. What seems clear is that the current government, plus whoever succeeds them, will increasingly find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They cannot please the environmentalists, who want a carbon-neutral economy (not possible any time soon) or the electorate, who want decent goods and services that they can afford and electricity on tap. When push comes to shove – as it probably will, after years of recession, and the threat of power shortages – I think the voice of the electorate will eventually be decisive.

Re soft toilet paper, has anyone seen this?- http://living.wallypop.net/wipes.html
(Link courtesy of Tom Nelson’s blog.) An interesting idea. There’s a page further on, which has instructions on how to use and wash these. I note: “Wash in hot, dry in the dryer”. So, washing machines (set to hot), and dryers. Powered by…?

]]> By: Ben http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html#comment-1208 Ben Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:11:11 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=299#comment-1208 'So why is it only in the Anglo-Saxon countries that the vacuum is being filled by dogmatic environmentalism?' I can answer for the UK....because we have clueless authoritarian inadequate politicians who are unable to think for themselves. Who find it very easy to listen to the BS from politicised pseudo scientists and politicised single issue (anti-CO2) environmental groups because it meets their desire to 'control' the general population. What better way to do that than to control CO2 since its nigh on impossible to do anything without producing CO2 (breathing included). It's a far harder argument to say please stop using your cars because the roads are busy than it is to say please stop using your cars because you're all destroying the planet you selfish b*stards. Today on the BBC news I heard that the greenies are now saying we are destroying the planet because we want soft toilet paper...I mean whatevernext In Japan I suspect the politicians/media/single issue group aren't nearly as closely entwined. Nice article below by the way folks: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=84462e2d-6bff-4983-a574-31f5ae8e8a42 ‘So why is it only in the Anglo-Saxon countries that the vacuum is being filled by dogmatic environmentalism?’
I can answer for the UK….because we have clueless authoritarian inadequate politicians who are unable to think for themselves. Who find it very easy to listen to the BS from politicised pseudo scientists and politicised single issue (anti-CO2) environmental groups because it meets their desire to ‘control’ the general population. What better way to do that than to control CO2 since its nigh on impossible to do anything without producing CO2 (breathing included).
It’s a far harder argument to say please stop using your cars because the roads are busy than it is to say please stop using your cars because you’re all destroying the planet you selfish b*stards. Today on the BBC news I heard that the greenies are now saying we are destroying the planet because we want soft toilet paper…I mean whatevernext
In Japan I suspect the politicians/media/single issue group aren’t nearly as closely entwined.
Nice article below by the way folks:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=84462e2d-6bff-4983-a574-31f5ae8e8a42

]]> By: geoff chambers http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html#comment-1207 geoff chambers Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:05:22 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=299#comment-1207 Excellent initiative of Orlowski at the Register to translate parts of the Japanese report. It confirms something which requires explanation: - that both global warming hysteria, and it’s sceptical antidote, are largely Anglo-Saxon phenomena. The UN / IPCC imprimatur gives a phoney international air to the thing, but in fact attitudes in each country are often trivially micro-political. See links at Maurizio Morabito’s interesting blog Omniclimate for the situation in Italy. Here in France, energy policy is still effectively in the hands of the nationalised EDF, and electricity generation is 70% nuclear, so the carbon obsession is practically non-existent. Add the fact that France’s most prominent global warming sceptic is an eminent vulcanologist, who also happens to be a much-hated socialist ex-minister of education, and you can see how attitudes can be affected by trivial considerations of national politics. The big mystery to me is why Britain seems to be the sole country where all parties are vying to adopt the most extreme attitude on global warming action. What happened to British empiricism, moderation, wait-and-see attitudes? The vacuity of the programmes of modern political parties is common to many, if not all, western democracies. So why is it only in the Anglo-Saxon countries that the vacuum is being filled by dogmatic environmentalism? Excellent initiative of Orlowski at the Register to translate parts of the Japanese report. It confirms something which requires explanation: – that both global warming hysteria, and it’s sceptical antidote, are largely Anglo-Saxon phenomena. The UN / IPCC imprimatur gives a phoney international air to the thing, but in fact attitudes in each country are often trivially micro-political.
See links at Maurizio Morabito’s interesting blog Omniclimate for the situation in Italy. Here in France, energy policy is still effectively in the hands of the nationalised EDF, and electricity generation is 70% nuclear, so the carbon obsession is practically non-existent. Add the fact that France’s most prominent global warming sceptic is an eminent vulcanologist, who also happens to be a much-hated socialist ex-minister of education, and you can see how attitudes can be affected by trivial considerations of national politics.
The big mystery to me is why Britain seems to be the sole country where all parties are vying to adopt the most extreme attitude on global warming action. What happened to British empiricism, moderation, wait-and-see attitudes? The vacuity of the programmes of modern political parties is common to many, if not all, western democracies. So why is it only in the Anglo-Saxon countries that the vacuum is being filled by dogmatic environmentalism?

]]> By: Robert Wood http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html#comment-1206 Robert Wood Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:46:12 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=299#comment-1206 The Japanese article will be ignored as long as possible, then the vitriol will start, denegrating the Japanese authors as whores and baby-eaters. The Japanese article will be ignored as long as possible, then the vitriol will start, denegrating the Japanese authors as whores and baby-eaters.

]]> By: Editors http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html#comment-1205 Editors Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:20:20 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=299#comment-1205 Thanks. Changed it Thanks. Changed it

]]> By: Demesure http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/02/the-consensus-carbon-dioccidental.html#comment-1204 Demesure Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:36:03 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=299#comment-1204 "The USA’s GDP ($14.58 trillion) is less than three times" ------------------------------------------- It's "more", not "less" “The USA’s GDP ($14.58 trillion) is less than three times”
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