Comments on: Hansen On ‘Democracy’ http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html Challenging Climate Orthodoxy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: joe http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1305 joe Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:18:58 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1305 Hansen works for NASA. Type : TYPE : www dot ITANIMULLI dot com into your browser (aka : the word ILLUMINATI spelt backwards) then it leads to the NASA website. NASA and SAtAN - names sound too much alike for my liking. Hansen works for NASA.

Type : TYPE : www dot ITANIMULLI dot com into your browser (aka : the word ILLUMINATI spelt backwards) then it leads to the NASA website.

NASA and SAtAN – names sound too much alike for my liking.

]]> By: Alex Cull http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1304 Alex Cull Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:26:29 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1304 On the South African Earth Hour site (http://www.earthhour.org.za/about.php) it says: "Earth Hour 2009 has one major aim: to unite the citizens of the world in the fight against climate change in order to convince governments and world leaders that our planet cannot wait any longer. There simply isn’t enough time, and therefore 2009 is a colossally important, if not the most critical year, to take action on climate change. 2009 is the year we decide the future of our planet." I'm interested in what they will say a year from now. Logically, if the fate of the entire world is decided in 2009, then either it will be saved or doomed, so there shouldn't be any need for Earth Hour 2010. (Somehow, though, I'm sure it will come round again, and that 2010 will turn out to be utterly crucial and the very last chance for the planet, as will 2011, 2012, 2013, etc, and so on ...) Here in the UK, looks like Saturday will be cold, with some rain or sleet. Seems like it will be a good evening to keep the lights of civilisation burning (and the heating on!) On the South African Earth Hour site (http://www.earthhour.org.za/about.php) it says: “Earth Hour 2009 has one major aim: to unite the citizens of the world in the fight against climate change in order to convince governments and world leaders that our planet cannot wait any longer. There simply isn’t enough time, and therefore 2009 is a colossally important, if not the most critical year, to take action on climate change. 2009 is the year we decide the future of our planet.”

I’m interested in what they will say a year from now. Logically, if the fate of the entire world is decided in 2009, then either it will be saved or doomed, so there shouldn’t be any need for Earth Hour 2010. (Somehow, though, I’m sure it will come round again, and that 2010 will turn out to be utterly crucial and the very last chance for the planet, as will 2011, 2012, 2013, etc, and so on …)

Here in the UK, looks like Saturday will be cold, with some rain or sleet. Seems like it will be a good evening to keep the lights of civilisation burning (and the heating on!)

]]> By: Ian Wilson http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1303 Ian Wilson Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:45:10 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1303 Re Robert Wood's comment above. Yes its pretty easy to see how they could do such a thing. Check out http://www.earthhour.org/ for a laughable (if it were not so damn sad) attempt by WWF to get 1 billion people to switch off their lights for 1 hour. I'm not going to bother asking how they can prove that, given the statistics are all mis-interpreted or made up anyway. I personally like tip number 10 as to what you can do during this 1 hour of darkness. "10. Upload your ‘on the night’ photos and videos to flickr and YouTube respectively,...". Switch the lights off and use your computer instead...nice. Re Robert Wood’s comment above. Yes its pretty easy to see how they could do such a thing. Check out http://www.earthhour.org/ for a laughable (if it were not so damn sad) attempt by WWF to get 1 billion people to switch off their lights for 1 hour.

I’m not going to bother asking how they can prove that, given the statistics are all mis-interpreted or made up anyway.

I personally like tip number 10 as to what you can do during this 1 hour of darkness. “10. Upload your ‘on the night’ photos and videos to flickr and YouTube respectively,…”.

Switch the lights off and use your computer instead…nice.

]]> By: Robert Wood http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1302 Robert Wood Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:04:05 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1302 It’s rather alarming tos see how “the green movement” could very easily turn into some kind of totalitarian eviromentalism. Green shirts marching door to door, checking you aren't running an extra beer fridge in the basement. Sorry. Typos. It’s rather alarming tos see how “the green movement” could very easily turn into some kind of totalitarian eviromentalism. Green shirts marching door to door, checking you aren’t running an extra beer fridge in the basement.

Sorry. Typos.

]]> By: Robert Wood http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1301 Robert Wood Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:00:58 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1301 I can't really add anything to this excellent article. But that's never stopped me before :-) He thinks he is one of Plato's philosopher kings; it has nothing to do with democracy. It's rather alarming tos ee how "the green movement" could very erasily turn into some kind of totalitarian eviromentalism. I can’t really add anything to this excellent article. But that’s never stopped me before :-)

He thinks he is one of Plato’s philosopher kings; it has nothing to do with democracy.

It’s rather alarming tos ee how “the green movement” could very erasily turn into some kind of totalitarian eviromentalism.

]]> By: Alex Cull http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1300 Alex Cull Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:59:05 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1300 Good post. Democracy is obviously not perfect, as we all well know. Nothing ever is. But what would James Hansen prefer to have in its place? I like this quote from Winston Churchill: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.” Still true. And it works. Not well, not smoothly, not quickly, but it does. The UK has a political party, the Greens, which stand for the things that James Hansen believes in, and if he was a UK citizen he could vote for them at every opportunity. If their stated policies were what the majority of people wanted, the political map would be somewhat different - Sian Berry would be Mayor of London and Caroline Lucas would probably be in line to be our next PM. However, this is not the case. Neither are we likely to have the BNP in power, or the Monster Raving Loonies. Even if, by some incredible quirk of fate, the Greens swept the board in the next general election and immediately got to work dismantling all coal and nuclear power stations and introducing stringent carbon rationing for us all, in my opinion they would incur a backlash which would sweep them back out of power just as soon as their time was up. I think the measures they are likely to want to take would make them unpopular, more so than anything perpetrated by Blair or Brown, and it would cost them. But they are welcome to try to be elected. And people are welcome to vote for them. Or not, as the case may be. Good post. Democracy is obviously not perfect, as we all well know. Nothing ever is. But what would James Hansen prefer to have in its place? I like this quote from Winston Churchill: “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.” Still true.

And it works. Not well, not smoothly, not quickly, but it does. The UK has a political party, the Greens, which stand for the things that James Hansen believes in, and if he was a UK citizen he could vote for them at every opportunity. If their stated policies were what the majority of people wanted, the political map would be somewhat different – Sian Berry would be Mayor of London and Caroline Lucas would probably be in line to be our next PM.

However, this is not the case. Neither are we likely to have the BNP in power, or the Monster Raving Loonies. Even if, by some incredible quirk of fate, the Greens swept the board in the next general election and immediately got to work dismantling all coal and nuclear power stations and introducing stringent carbon rationing for us all, in my opinion they would incur a backlash which would sweep them back out of power just as soon as their time was up. I think the measures they are likely to want to take would make them unpopular, more so than anything perpetrated by Blair or Brown, and it would cost them.

But they are welcome to try to be elected. And people are welcome to vote for them.

Or not, as the case may be.

]]> By: Editors http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1299 Editors Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:23:24 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1299 Do you guys know roughly what time he was on? It's not listed on the schedule. Ta Do you guys know roughly what time he was on? It’s not listed on the schedule. Ta

]]> By: Pete S http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1298 Pete S Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:21:49 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1298 xj550 I agree. I heard him as well and complained to the BBC about failing to provide anyone to counter his arguments. xj550 I agree. I heard him as well and complained to the BBC about failing to provide anyone to counter his arguments.

]]> By: xj550 http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/03/hansen-on-%e2%80%98democracy%e2%80%99.html#comment-1297 xj550 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:03:29 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=307#comment-1297 Heard hansen on the today program , a very odd man !. love the article !. Heard hansen on the today program , a very odd man !.
love the article !.

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