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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/07/ho-ho-ho-green-giantz.html#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, I did see the smiley, but I want everyone to think &quot;hack job by the genocidal Club of Rome&quot; whenever anyone mentions &quot;peak uranium&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, I did see the smiley, but I want everyone to think &#8220;hack job by the genocidal Club of Rome&#8221; whenever anyone mentions &#8220;peak uranium&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/07/ho-ho-ho-green-giantz.html#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I thought the quote was &quot;Fear is to the insurance industry what oil is to &lt;b&gt;Exxon&lt;/b&gt;&quot; (not Enron)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I thought the quote was &#8220;Fear is to the insurance industry what oil is to <b>Exxon</b>&#8221; (not Enron)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/07/ho-ho-ho-green-giantz.html#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Ecofys, who did this hack-job of a report for the WWF and Allianz, &lt;a href=&quot;http://environment-analyst.com/1977&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is now bankrupt...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Ecofys, who did this hack-job of a report for the WWF and Allianz, <a href="http://environment-analyst.com/1977" rel="nofollow">is now bankrupt&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Luke Warmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Warmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George

Didn&#039;t you see the ;-)

nuclear is especially interesting &#039;cos it&#039;s become a &quot;splitters&quot; faultline for the &quot;movement&quot; as Mark Lynas found out.

However rational a choice it is, I am continually disappointed by clearly shoddy management - even if the leaks/fines etc are low level (back-office) process stuff, they shouldn&#039;t continue to happen.  There was one in the 90s where the pipebridge had been leaking for years - that&#039;s not safety/env. mgmt. The industry needs to recognise the old &quot;clean table tops in the aircraft signal better maintained engines&quot; thing.

And as the Editors have commented to you elsewhere there&#039;s then the whole weapons bit, complicated by the current terrorism meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you see the <img src='http://www.climate-resistance.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>nuclear is especially interesting &#8216;cos it&#8217;s become a &#8220;splitters&#8221; faultline for the &#8220;movement&#8221; as Mark Lynas found out.</p>
<p>However rational a choice it is, I am continually disappointed by clearly shoddy management &#8211; even if the leaks/fines etc are low level (back-office) process stuff, they shouldn&#8217;t continue to happen.  There was one in the 90s where the pipebridge had been leaking for years &#8211; that&#8217;s not safety/env. mgmt. The industry needs to recognise the old &#8220;clean table tops in the aircraft signal better maintained engines&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>And as the Editors have commented to you elsewhere there&#8217;s then the whole weapons bit, complicated by the current terrorism meme.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/07/ho-ho-ho-green-giantz.html#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuclear fuels are approximately a million times more energy-dense than chemical fuels.  Uranium isn&#039;t a rare metal (it&#039;s about a common as tin), while thorium (didn&#039;t you read the name of the forum where I sourced the info in the first place) is three times more common.

Peak uranium is a despicable hoax put forward by Storm van der Leeuwen, the head of the Club of Rome in the Netherlands.  (The Club of Rome - that charming organization which suggested that human population must be reduced to less than one billion...)

His &quot;study&quot; (paid for by Europe&#039;s Green Parties) was full of deliberate mistakes, listed below:

1. No breeder reactors (either Uranium-238/Plutonium-239, or Thorium-232/Uranium-233)
2. No reactors capable of burning unenriched uranium (like the CANDU or the Magnox)
3. Enrichment using the obsolete gaseous diffusion method (as opposed to the centrifuge method, which uses about 100 times less energy).
4. Vastly-overestimated energy requirements for mining low-grade uranium ores (about two orders of magnitude higher than reality).  The amount of energy which Namibia&#039;s Rössing mine would consume according to Storm van der Leeuwen&#039;s calculations, is larger than that consumed by the entire country of Namibia in reality.

M. King Hubbert (who coined the term &quot;peak oil&quot;) had this to say about nuclear energy:

&lt;blockquote&gt;There is promise, however, provided mankind can solve its international problems and not destroy itself with nuclear weapons, and provided world population (which is now expanding at such a rate as to double in less than a century) can somehow be brought under control, that we may at last have found an energy supply adequate for our needs for &lt;b&gt;at least&lt;/b&gt; the next few centuries of the foreseeable future.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear fuels are approximately a million times more energy-dense than chemical fuels.  Uranium isn&#8217;t a rare metal (it&#8217;s about a common as tin), while thorium (didn&#8217;t you read the name of the forum where I sourced the info in the first place) is three times more common.</p>
<p>Peak uranium is a despicable hoax put forward by Storm van der Leeuwen, the head of the Club of Rome in the Netherlands.  (The Club of Rome &#8211; that charming organization which suggested that human population must be reduced to less than one billion&#8230;)</p>
<p>His &#8220;study&#8221; (paid for by Europe&#8217;s Green Parties) was full of deliberate mistakes, listed below:</p>
<p>1. No breeder reactors (either Uranium-238/Plutonium-239, or Thorium-232/Uranium-233)<br />
2. No reactors capable of burning unenriched uranium (like the CANDU or the Magnox)<br />
3. Enrichment using the obsolete gaseous diffusion method (as opposed to the centrifuge method, which uses about 100 times less energy).<br />
4. Vastly-overestimated energy requirements for mining low-grade uranium ores (about two orders of magnitude higher than reality).  The amount of energy which Namibia&#8217;s Rössing mine would consume according to Storm van der Leeuwen&#8217;s calculations, is larger than that consumed by the entire country of Namibia in reality.</p>
<p>M. King Hubbert (who coined the term &#8220;peak oil&#8221;) had this to say about nuclear energy:</p>
<blockquote><p>There is promise, however, provided mankind can solve its international problems and not destroy itself with nuclear weapons, and provided world population (which is now expanding at such a rate as to double in less than a century) can somehow be brought under control, that we may at last have found an energy supply adequate for our needs for <b>at least</b> the next few centuries of the foreseeable future.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Luke Warmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Warmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice story - if tragic as other commentators have noted.

George
What about peak uranium ;-)

From yesterday&#039;s FT article about BP:

&quot;At some point, however, the shift in the world’s energy system will come. Lew Watts, an independent consultant, says the future will bring growing electrification, including of transport. “What we are likely to see, and are already seeing, is that energy will continue to de-carbonise and will ultimately move to the electron,” he says. “Any energy company of the future will need to be in the electron or power business. Companies that do not do this become merely commodity suppliers.”

“merely commodity suppliers” – as opposed to what - a luxury good? Clearly electrons are fungible - the very definition of commodity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice story &#8211; if tragic as other commentators have noted.</p>
<p>George<br />
What about peak uranium <img src='http://www.climate-resistance.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>From yesterday&#8217;s FT article about BP:</p>
<p>&#8220;At some point, however, the shift in the world’s energy system will come. Lew Watts, an independent consultant, says the future will bring growing electrification, including of transport. “What we are likely to see, and are already seeing, is that energy will continue to de-carbonise and will ultimately move to the electron,” he says. “Any energy company of the future will need to be in the electron or power business. Companies that do not do this become merely commodity suppliers.”</p>
<p>“merely commodity suppliers” – as opposed to what &#8211; a luxury good? Clearly electrons are fungible &#8211; the very definition of commodity.</p>
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		<title>By: George Carty</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Carty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demesure, I think there&#039;s very powerful arguments for phasing out fossil fuels in favour of nuclear energy, even without AGW.

Coal is responsible for too much pollution (both noxious gases and ashes).  Oil and gas are too geographically concentrated, which leads to despotic &quot;rentier&quot; governments in the oil-and-gas producing lands, as well as wars fought over the resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demesure, I think there&#8217;s very powerful arguments for phasing out fossil fuels in favour of nuclear energy, even without AGW.</p>
<p>Coal is responsible for too much pollution (both noxious gases and ashes).  Oil and gas are too geographically concentrated, which leads to despotic &#8220;rentier&#8221; governments in the oil-and-gas producing lands, as well as wars fought over the resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Papertiger</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/07/ho-ho-ho-green-giantz.html#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Papertiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if they do that with San Onofre &amp; Diablo Canyon? Does the government use WWF statistics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if they do that with San Onofre &amp; Diablo Canyon? Does the government use WWF statistics?</p>
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		<title>By: Demesure</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/07/ho-ho-ho-green-giantz.html#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>Demesure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s priceless is the bastard nuclearists who are behind this AGW hoax (in France, all climate modellers and most of French authors at the IPCC are in laboratories affiliated with our state agency Commissariat à l&#039;Energie Atomique) are aimed at now by greenies, but with that same hoax.
Like caught gangsters, they try to put the blame on each others when things go down the toilet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s priceless is the bastard nuclearists who are behind this AGW hoax (in France, all climate modellers and most of French authors at the IPCC are in laboratories affiliated with our state agency Commissariat à l&#8217;Energie Atomique) are aimed at now by greenies, but with that same hoax.<br />
Like caught gangsters, they try to put the blame on each others when things go down the toilet.</p>
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		<title>By: Editors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oi, that&#039;s our quote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oi, that&#8217;s our quote</p>
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