Comments on: Folie à Deux http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html Challenging Climate Orthodoxy Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:47:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1645 George Carty Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:33:07 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1645 DennisA, the <a href="http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/2006/03/267-where-does-apocalyptic-thinking.html" rel="nofollow">Peak Oil Debunked blog also suggested</a> that "deep Christianity" (the residual Christian beliefs found in Western atheists and agnostics) may be behind apocalyptic thinking... DennisA, the Peak Oil Debunked blog also suggested that “deep Christianity” (the residual Christian beliefs found in Western atheists and agnostics) may be behind apocalyptic thinking…

]]> By: DennisA http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1644 DennisA Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:04:35 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1644 Fossil fuels seem to be the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden. We have bitten from the apple and our downfall is assured. There is an interesting piece on apocalypticism here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/worldview.html Quote: What you have to have to generate an apocalypse, is a sense that this world is out of joint, and that we had better look to a different world if we want to be saved.... Fossil fuels seem to be the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden. We have bitten from the apple and our downfall is assured.

There is an interesting piece on apocalypticism here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/apocalypse/explanation/worldview.html
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What you have to have to generate an apocalypse, is a sense that this world is out of joint, and that we had better look to a different world if we want to be saved….

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1643 George Carty Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:30:20 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1643 Mat, were the Nazis really so irrational given their goal of an autarkic superpower Germany? Adam Tooze's <i>The Wages of Destruction</i> points out that much of the Nazis' mass murder was driven by Malthusian considerations... Mat, were the Nazis really so irrational given their goal of an autarkic superpower Germany?

Adam Tooze’s The Wages of Destruction points out that much of the Nazis’ mass murder was driven by Malthusian considerations…

]]> By: mat http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1642 mat Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:52:35 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1642 I seem to remember something about a cult that used religious/pagan myth systems and a back to the land ideology that also killed millions er something about 1939 i think? still these guys have the right idea what with the recycling of ideas!. I seem to remember something about a cult that used religious/pagan myth systems and a back to the land ideology that also killed millions er something about 1939 i think? still these guys have the right idea what with the recycling of ideas!.

]]> By: Greg http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1641 Greg Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:47:13 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1641 There is no sight so impressive as two industrial strength elitist patrician narcissists engaged a pissing contest. There is no sight so impressive as two industrial strength elitist patrician narcissists engaged a pissing contest.

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1640 George Carty Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:42:36 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1640 Is greed for carbon-tax revenue a reason why so many environmentalists opposed the most obvious way (nuclear energy) to actually make big cuts in CO2 emissions? And could one of the root causes of this greed for taxes be the need to create vast numbers of make-work jobs to compensate for the loss of industry in Western countries which resulted from "Made in China"? Is greed for carbon-tax revenue a reason why so many environmentalists opposed the most obvious way (nuclear energy) to actually make big cuts in CO2 emissions?

And could one of the root causes of this greed for taxes be the need to create vast numbers of make-work jobs to compensate for the loss of industry in Western countries which resulted from “Made in China”?

]]> By: John Bailo http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1639 John Bailo Sun, 23 Aug 2009 02:57:45 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1639 Global Warming Alarmism has all the earmarks of an over leveraged investment. 2007 seems the high mark for the true believers...they re-emphasized the worst of the IPCC predictions. Yet, two years later..."Hurricane Bill" alternatively described as worsening to a Cat4 or Cat5 ended up Cat1 and missing almost everything. How many times can these guys promise a Towering Inferno or Poseidon Adventure and fail to deliver? I notice that their more moderate followers -- the Greens hoping that all this would build them a bureaucracy so they could ply their trade for the next decades, living high on CO2 taxes, have backed off and rarely mention the IPCC and Gore any more! It's like a high tech company that hides the founder with the beard and sandals so it doesn't tarnish their business image. The "Greens" want to write articles about why we should drive battery cars (all the while Toyota is saying their unworkable) and ride mass transit and live in tiny concrete condos with exorbitant walkability fees. They want to rope us into projects that cannot be easily scraped and taxes that won't be cut so they can sit in cubicles and blog about "Being Green" all day long. But like Madoff, they promised big returns to their investors...their followers...and every day more people are knocking on the door saying "where's the money, Al"... Global Warming Alarmism has all the earmarks of an over leveraged investment. 2007 seems the high mark for the true believers…they re-emphasized the worst of the IPCC predictions. Yet, two years later…”Hurricane Bill” alternatively described as worsening to a Cat4 or Cat5 ended up Cat1 and missing almost everything.

How many times can these guys promise a Towering Inferno or Poseidon Adventure and fail to deliver? I notice that their more moderate followers — the Greens hoping that all this would build them a bureaucracy so they could ply their trade for the next decades, living high on CO2 taxes, have backed off and rarely mention the IPCC and Gore any more! It’s like a high tech company that hides the founder with the beard and sandals so it doesn’t tarnish their business image.

The “Greens” want to write articles about why we should drive battery cars (all the while Toyota is saying their unworkable) and ride mass transit and live in tiny concrete condos with exorbitant walkability fees. They want to rope us into projects that cannot be easily scraped and taxes that won’t be cut so they can sit in cubicles and blog about “Being Green” all day long.

But like Madoff, they promised big returns to their investors…their followers…and every day more people are knocking on the door saying “where’s the money, Al”…

]]> By: Lewis http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1638 Lewis Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:41:41 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1638 Brilliant and, I must say, profound! You write with clarity and, at the same time, a trenchancy (?!) that one continues to look for but rarely finds. The subject here, of course, is what Nietzche termed european nihilism and the malaise of inadaquacy, before this complex, difficult but inevitably beautiful world. I salute your perspicacity. Brilliant and, I must say, profound! You write with clarity and, at the same time, a trenchancy (?!) that one continues to look for but rarely finds. The subject here, of course, is what Nietzche termed european nihilism and the malaise of inadaquacy, before this complex, difficult but inevitably beautiful world. I salute your perspicacity.

]]> By: George Carty http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1637 George Carty Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:07:04 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1637 The thing is though, for me Deep Ecology is number 1 on my hit list of evil ideologies, but Objectivism is number 2. Fascists are at number 3, genocidal religious bigots (chiefly takfiri Islamists and extreme Islam-haters currently) at number 4 and Stalinists at number 5. The thing is though, for me Deep Ecology is number 1 on my hit list of evil ideologies, but Objectivism is number 2. Fascists are at number 3, genocidal religious bigots (chiefly takfiri Islamists and extreme Islam-haters currently) at number 4 and Stalinists at number 5.

]]> By: Francois http://www.climate-resistance.org/2009/08/folie-a-deux.html#comment-1636 Francois Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:19:23 +0000 http://www.climate-resistance.org/?p=353#comment-1636 Kingsnorth the Witch Doctor, Monbiot the Atilla ? «A man's method of using his consciousness determines his method of survival. The three contestants are Attila, the Witch Doctor and the Producer--or the man of force, the man of feelings, the man of reason--or the brut, the mystic, the thinker.» - Ayn Rand Kingsnorth the Witch Doctor, Monbiot the Atilla ?

«A man’s method of using his consciousness determines his method of survival. The three contestants are Attila, the Witch Doctor and the Producer–or the man of force, the man of feelings, the man of reason–or the brut, the mystic, the thinker.»
- Ayn Rand

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