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	<title>Comments on: Africagate – Worse than Previously Thought</title>
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		<title>By: John Harmon</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2010/02/africagate-%e2%80%93-worse-than-previously-thought.html#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator>John Harmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Googled history of Mali looking for drought evidence. There would appear to be a long term pattern of catastophic droughts. Empires fell, mass starvation occured,
populations were displaced long before 1850. Such history says AGW either is fake or existed at least 1000 years ago.
The point is that Human Produced Greenhouse Gases can&#039;t have caused drought before the 20th century and that the pattern appears to be the same then and now. Without a change in drought frequency, persistance or severity HPGG is of no consequence regarding food production in Mali.
Modern Sahel problem was at least partly caused by Developed World aid in drillind wells to water livestock which denuded the land. Hot air, not CO2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Googled history of Mali looking for drought evidence. There would appear to be a long term pattern of catastophic droughts. Empires fell, mass starvation occured,<br />
populations were displaced long before 1850. Such history says AGW either is fake or existed at least 1000 years ago.<br />
The point is that Human Produced Greenhouse Gases can&#8217;t have caused drought before the 20th century and that the pattern appears to be the same then and now. Without a change in drought frequency, persistance or severity HPGG is of no consequence regarding food production in Mali.<br />
Modern Sahel problem was at least partly caused by Developed World aid in drillind wells to water livestock which denuded the land. Hot air, not CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were doing quite well until arriving at the sentence &quot;There needs to be a real discussion about why poverty exists in the world, and how it can be abolished&quot;. &quot;Abolishing&quot; poverty is a fanciful as abolishing CO2.  Poverty in the Third World can be lessened over time and, one day, who knows, lifestyles there may approach those of the West. The only discussion needed is why we are not already encouraging and collaborating with the Third World in trade.  Mining, farming and exploiting their natural and human resources to the full - for their own immense benefit and, of course, the benefit of the First World, in regulated, free-market exchange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were doing quite well until arriving at the sentence &#8220;There needs to be a real discussion about why poverty exists in the world, and how it can be abolished&#8221;. &#8220;Abolishing&#8221; poverty is a fanciful as abolishing CO2.  Poverty in the Third World can be lessened over time and, one day, who knows, lifestyles there may approach those of the West. The only discussion needed is why we are not already encouraging and collaborating with the Third World in trade.  Mining, farming and exploiting their natural and human resources to the full &#8211; for their own immense benefit and, of course, the benefit of the First World, in regulated, free-market exchange.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D Finch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian D Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: As the law is settled, it&#039;s time we all moved on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: As the law is settled, it&#8217;s time we all moved on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D Finch</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2010/02/africagate-%e2%80%93-worse-than-previously-thought.html#comment-2028</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D Finch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter Ward:  &#039;I was horrified — and enlightened — by the words of Prof Bob Watson on UK Channel 4 news last week. When challenged to prove that global warming was caused by human activity, he said, “We cannot show that it’s due to any natural variability…. The only way we can explain that temperature increase is due [sic] to human activity.” &#039;

Well, we cannot show that my cat died of natural causes so Tibby must have been poisoned - and old Mrs McGlumphie is a well-known witch. So it must have been CO2 (sorry, Mrs McGlumphie) wot killed my cat. Case proven m&#039;lud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Ward:  &#8216;I was horrified — and enlightened — by the words of Prof Bob Watson on UK Channel 4 news last week. When challenged to prove that global warming was caused by human activity, he said, “We cannot show that it’s due to any natural variability…. The only way we can explain that temperature increase is due [sic] to human activity.” &#8216;</p>
<p>Well, we cannot show that my cat died of natural causes so Tibby must have been poisoned &#8211; and old Mrs McGlumphie is a well-known witch. So it must have been CO2 (sorry, Mrs McGlumphie) wot killed my cat. Case proven m&#8217;lud.</p>
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		<title>By: StuartR</title>
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		<dc:creator>StuartR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we ever trust an estimation of  the effects of anything on broad swathes of humanity by the IPCC?

Or should some sort of rationality take hold? The broad swathes in the himalayan and African cases had no input from locals, but so what?

Imagine for a second if Mr Pachauri was selling a story to some Manchurians that the Pennines could be a disaster for the Preston and Blackpool area one day and then you may get the idea of the distortion going on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we ever trust an estimation of  the effects of anything on broad swathes of humanity by the IPCC?</p>
<p>Or should some sort of rationality take hold? The broad swathes in the himalayan and African cases had no input from locals, but so what?</p>
<p>Imagine for a second if Mr Pachauri was selling a story to some Manchurians that the Pennines could be a disaster for the Preston and Blackpool area one day and then you may get the idea of the distortion going on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another tragedy in the portrayal of science. A distortion of the scientific method for political ends. It makes you wonder if there are any honourable scientists left -- certainly there don&#039;t seem to be in the arena of climate science.

I was horrified -- and enlightened -- by the words of Prof Bob Watson on UK Channel 4 news last week. When challenged to prove that global warming was caused by human activity, he said, &quot;We cannot show that it&#039;s due to any natural variability.... The only way we can explain that temperature increase is due [sic] to human activity.&quot;

So the whole AGW movement is based on not being able to explain the gap between what&#039;s explicable and the observed increase. Therefore, climate scientists must continue to hide, rubbish and scorn any science which aims to fill that gap. They must also continue to enlarge the gap (&quot;It&#039;s worse than we thought&quot;) so prevent any reasonable explanations from ever closing it.

But basing the global AGW movement on ignorance is ultimately doomed to failure. Evidence of upper atmosphere water vapour being able to explain 2/3 of global warming over the last 20 years; evidence that UHI explains 1/3 of global warming. How much more do we need to fill that gap than the science which is finally escaping from the censorship of the AGW lobby?

Let&#039;s hope that science can soon start again to look at real and pressing problems such as malaria and water, and stop wasting time on imaginary ones! Then it may start to regain some credibility and trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another tragedy in the portrayal of science. A distortion of the scientific method for political ends. It makes you wonder if there are any honourable scientists left &#8212; certainly there don&#8217;t seem to be in the arena of climate science.</p>
<p>I was horrified &#8212; and enlightened &#8212; by the words of Prof Bob Watson on UK Channel 4 news last week. When challenged to prove that global warming was caused by human activity, he said, &#8220;We cannot show that it&#8217;s due to any natural variability&#8230;. The only way we can explain that temperature increase is due [sic] to human activity.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the whole AGW movement is based on not being able to explain the gap between what&#8217;s explicable and the observed increase. Therefore, climate scientists must continue to hide, rubbish and scorn any science which aims to fill that gap. They must also continue to enlarge the gap (&#8220;It&#8217;s worse than we thought&#8221;) so prevent any reasonable explanations from ever closing it.</p>
<p>But basing the global AGW movement on ignorance is ultimately doomed to failure. Evidence of upper atmosphere water vapour being able to explain 2/3 of global warming over the last 20 years; evidence that UHI explains 1/3 of global warming. How much more do we need to fill that gap than the science which is finally escaping from the censorship of the AGW lobby?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that science can soon start again to look at real and pressing problems such as malaria and water, and stop wasting time on imaginary ones! Then it may start to regain some credibility and trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Stuart-Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-resistance.org/2010/02/africagate-%e2%80%93-worse-than-previously-thought.html#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Stuart-Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 02:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunday Express in UK reporting on frontpage that BBC Pension Fund is invested heavily in carbon trading companies leading to bias in news coverage in world&#039;s biggest news organisation promoting belief in global warming.
Guess that is why they DO NOT LET DR RICHARD A E NORTH on THE BBC
http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2010-02-07
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/156703</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday Express in UK reporting on frontpage that BBC Pension Fund is invested heavily in carbon trading companies leading to bias in news coverage in world&#8217;s biggest news organisation promoting belief in global warming.<br />
Guess that is why they DO NOT LET DR RICHARD A E NORTH on THE BBC<br />
<a href="http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2010-02-07" rel="nofollow">http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2010-02-07</a><br />
<a href="http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/156703" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/156703</a></p>
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